Don...Questions about C4L Please.

[greenspj]

This is Jeff Greenspan

No. I'm Jeff Greenspan.

I have no idea why this person "constituent" feels the need to attack me constantly. I have no idea who s/he even is or what his/her beef is.

Knock it off. Do something useful.

BTW, I'm a volunteer just like everyone else.

 

[Matt Collins]

No. I'm Jeff Greenspan.

Hey. I am not accusing you of anything, but it has been suggested, and I am just curious... Did you sign on these forums using the name Paul_Delegate?

 

[constituent]

No. I'm Jeff Greenspan.

I have no idea why this person "constituent" feels the need to attack me constantly. I have no idea who s/he even is or what his/her beef is.

Knock it off. Do something useful.

BTW, I'm a volunteer just like everyone else.

[this is just pitiful, certainly you must realize the "" constituent gives you away]

lol. i'm here.

we've seen the screenshot of your accounts, give up the ghost.

you know exactly what the beef is and why, so cut the shit.


but if you're ready for one more round, step on up.

i don't think it's going to help your case though.

 

[constituent]

Hey. I am not accusing you of anything, but it has been suggested, and I am just curious... Did you sign on these forums using the name Paul_Delegate's ?

might ditch the apostrophe -s or he'll squirm off on the technicality.

 

[constituent]

the first blacked out name is "greenspj."

 

[Danke]

the first blacked out name is "greenspj."

You admin?

 

[constituent]

You admin?

naaah, just an average joe.

 

[ARealConservative]

the first blacked out name is "greenspj."

two people in the C4L office could have identical IP's over a period of time.......

 

[Matt Collins]

two people in the C4L office could have identical IP's over a period of time.......

That's one possibility. But that's why I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am asking Mr Greenspan if he was the person who logged in as Paul_Delegate.

 

[constituent]

two people in the C4L office could have identical IP's over a period of time.......

put it this way, assuming there are computers at the CFL office (and that the IP listed actually links to the CFL office), they'd better be getting put to better use than trolling the RPF.

your argument, if true, would only make the situation worse. let us hope that isn't the case.

 

[Matt Collins]

I wonder why Mr. Greenspan isn't answering my question?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

People do troll this forum to see what's being discussed. I saw it on CNN. Tones

 

[Sally08]

You admin?

Constituent isn't an admin, but I think Josh qualifies

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1650644&postcount=41
Paul_Delegate stick with your original account, you've had your fun.

Paul_Delegate was banned at that point.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1650727&postcount=55
Screenshot published by Josh (per LE's request) that was quoted by Constituent.

Note: Josh did *not* challenge Constituent's statements as to Jeff Greenspan posting as Paul_Delegate (particularly given the context of attacking Matt Colin's threads about the CFL training experience)-

Do your own research.

You can start with a search on all posts by PAUL_DELEGATE.

Better yet, take a look at the thread in Vent, http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=153380

 

[angelatc]

I am getting sick of people making lizard and shape shifter remarks if someone questions Ron Paul . are any of you free thinkers anymore ? Or have you all fallen into collectivism? I question EVERYTHING to include Ron Paul. I love his words...I just have to know that HE is actually driving the bus...or I'm getting off. You have GOT to watch out for non profits...because in most cases, whoever establishes them make high salaries and very little from grants and donations goes to the actual cause. If someone is using Ron Paul's name for gain ...and my money...I want to know about it. TOnes

Hey Tones, it's not just you. Wanted you to know that.

 

[angelatc]

The CFL state structures are maintained by the same grassroots people who helped Ron's campaign.
As in, Our State Coordinator- just a grassroots guy.
Our Asst. State Coordinator- me
Our district reps- all grassroots activist from our meet-ups.

Yup- sounds like a nazi club to stiffle the freedom movement.

But some of us are hoping that the advertising people aren't the same folks who did New Hampshire, for example.

I love Ron Paul, and I think everybody on his staff is pretty pleasant. But I'd like to see some goals successfully achieved, and I'd like to see some accountability if those goals aren't achieved.

Maybe I spent too much time in the corporate world - I don't know.

 

[angelatc]

Ohhh geeze... ha ha ha for every friend I have on here I am sure I have 3 people who hate my guts

As long as they know your name you're ahead of the game.

 

[Sally08]

Maybe I spent too much time in the corporate world - I don't know.

Do I ever agree with you there!

I've never been aware of such a contrast between corporate politics *with rules* (kinda) and campaign politics.

Maybe it's just the "laissez-faire" attitude towards everything in the campaign and, now, CFL, but I can't imagine trying to accomplish anything in that kind of environment.

As a consultant, I've encountered corporate environments that had no project plans or could even explain what I was supposed to accomplish.

I either ended up an angel or a devil! I did way more than they thought or I didn't do anything towards what they *didn't* tell me to do

And that total lack of a mission with a project plan of discrete action steps (with hours and dollars and target date) destroys the CFL credibility for me.

And having visited the CFL "test site", I felt there were major delays in the monthly tasks mentioned:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1675004&postcount=99

I also found the site to be quite weak compared with corporate website standards for usability and accessibility.

More reinventing the wheel vs. asking for help from those with expertise in the area, a major problem all along.

Aren't there HQ funds still available to hire experts for specific short-term projects??

 

[Bprimbs]

I know the CFL does have computers. Other professional campaigns use metrics to measure their success.

Obama used project management and metrics efficiently to win the nomination.

Other campaigns employ cutting edge management consulting skills.

There is no reason why CFL shouldn't employ these skills as well.

 

[constituent]

I know the CFL does have computers. Other professional campaigns use metrics to measure their success.

Obama used project management and metrics efficiently to win the nomination.

Other campaigns employ cutting edge management consulting skills.

There is no reason why CFL shouldn't employ these skills as well.

Forum trolling and sock-puppetry are what you consider to be "cutting edge management consulting skills?"

christ, this ship sunk before it ever sailed. depressing.

 

[Sally08]

I know the CFL does have computers. Other professional campaigns use metrics to measure their success.

Obama used project management and metrics efficiently to win the nomination.

Other campaigns employ cutting edge management consulting skills.

There is no reason why CFL shouldn't employ these skills as well.

Actually, I read your post to mean exactly the opposite of Constituent.

So, which way did you mean it?

As in why CFL *isn't* using those skills?

Or including "sock puppetry" as an *example* of those skills?

If your point was that CFL *isn't* using management consulting skills, project management, or metrics, I would definitely agree with you