DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate

[idiom]

I wish these would embed properly in this forum.

http://i.imgur.com/L8295i6.webm

It applies to a lot of people actually. Benton, Trump, Bush, Clinton, Obama

 

[timosman]

Uh no, incorrect. Not even close. Jesse has nothing to do with Rand's campaign at all.

Are you trolling us, Sire ? Your presence was missed. Greatly.

 

[libertyplz]

Updated in the same article I posted earlier, from Rand's camp:

Rand Paul's campaign, through an unnamed spokesman, offered similar criticism of the timing. "Senator Rand Paul is disappointed that the Obama justice department chose to release this just prior to the highly anticipated first Republican presidential debate," the campaign said. "It certainly appears suspiciously timed and possibly, politically motivated. Additionally, these actions are from 2012 and have nothing to do with our campaign."

I assume this will be the talking point on Rand's side whenever he is asked about it. Seems good to me, bring up the suspicious timing of it, and that regardless as to whether or not it's politically motivated, it has nothing to do with his campaign.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I wish these would embed properly in this forum.

http://i.imgur.com/L8295i6.webm

It applies to a lot of people actually. Benton, Trump, Bush, Clinton, Obama

Change the "webm" extension to "gif" - like so: "http://i.imgur.com/L8295i6.webm" becomes "http://i.imgur.com/L8295i6.gif"

 

[Maltheus]

They may not have been able to legally coordinate, but when you're talking about a family member and former campaign manager taking on the role, everybody knows they are coordinating on some level. And Rand could have certainly asked Benton to stay away, if he had a problem with it. You'd figure he'd do the Paul's the same courtesy he did McConnell and step aside. If anything, I'm assuming Rand must have talked him into it.

The issue here is that this was entirely predictable. We all knew it was coming, after Sorenson pleaded guilty. And especially after he had to step down from McConnell's campaign. They were just holding off until it would make the most damage. This goes beyond family loyalty IMO, Rand is just an idiot as far as I can tell. I wrote him off the moment he said (last December) that Benton would definitely be involved in the campaign. There was no rational justification for it. Although I guess I should be glad he did get in the race. They likely wouldn't have gone after Benton, otherwise. I don't care if it's like getting Capone for tax evasion, so long as they got him.

 

[rich34]

Well, way to go Benton... But you also have to question the damn timing of this all coming out, surely none of you think this was by accident. It took them 3 to 4 years to finally bring charges like these to the forefront? Damn...

 

[angelatc]

Yeah but didn't Rand set himself up for this? He gave them the ammunition, all they had to do was pull the trigger. Why was Benton appointed to the SuperPac?

You might as well argue with the wall, but you're exactly right.

 

[angelatc]

Uh no, incorrect. Not even close. Jesse has nothing to do with Rand's campaign at all.

Right. It is entirely illegal for the campaign to coordinate messaging with the PAC. But that was not the case before Rand announced, and since the PAC was formed specifically to give Benton a job, I think it's a safe bet that Paul had some say in the decision.

After all, Benton made it clear that Rand would only be addressing one PAC during the campaign season. How would Benton possibly know that if he was not in contact with the campaign?

That's a rhetorical question, btw. You can huff and puff, but we all know it's Benton who is blowing the house down.

 

[brandon]

So, I honestly thought he was already indicted. I thought I read this story months ago. I wasn't aware he had anything to do with Rand's PACs. I figured he was laying low for a couple years while this blew over.

Obviously this shit was coming down the pipe.... I'm dumbfounded how a dude with this amount of political poison ended up in charge of Rand's biggest PAC. Like seriously.... what in the world are these people thinking?

 

[angelatc]

It is what it is. Benton should have had enough sense to keep his nose clean - if you don't like the rules, don't play the game. Seriously, this was an unnecessary and stupid risk to take.

Rand is the one who is ultimately responsible.

 

[presence]

For getting caught at doing something that EVERY other campaign does?

Wait every campaign kicks Kent $35k for audio/video? Dude must really be badass.

DJ Sorenson in the house!

 

[cajuncocoa]

Uh no, incorrect. Not even close. Jesse has nothing to do with Rand's campaign at all.

That's interesting, because Rand promised Jesse would be involved in his campaign.


"Jesse is married to my niece and was a big help in the Kentucky election here in 2010 and a big help for Sen. McConnell. Yes, he'll help us," Rand Paul said, adding he did not think Benton "did anything wrong."


http://news.yahoo.com/asked-marijuan...-election.html

 

[specialkornflake]

It seems like the only time I post on these forums is to say bad things about Benton. This is going back all the way to 2007, but I can't see posts from that far back. Ron wasn't good at picking the right people to keep around him. I give Rand some credit for relegating Benton to the Super PAC. This is why we can't make this movement about any particular person, but rather the ideas of Liberty.

To win the Presidency, Rand's campaign is much more viable than his father's. If Rand really brings his A game he could win this.

 

[Peace Piper]

Might be a good time for the "Liberty Movement" to look around and find some new faces that don't embrace nepotism.

Rand has done more damage to his fathers legacy than anyone on earth.

He endorsed Romney before the convention
(if anyone had done that here, they would have been banned)

He lied about Russia and Crimea

He endorsed the rat Benton- after the whole scandal had been exposed

He just recently lied about Iran (no talk of that here that I've seen)
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/07/28/rand-paul-fraud-failure-liar/

I have supported Ron since the '80s and my reasons for that support are non-negotiable.

It's NOT about the Pauls. It's about the message. And Rand has all but destroyed that message. Enough is enough.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So people who like the Constitution are supporting the enforcement of an unconstitutional law?

Wait just a fucking minute...we're supposed to wink and nudge at the indictment, on felony charges, of an upper level campaign person connected to both Ron and Rand, because the law that they are being prosecuted under is somehow unconstitutional?

(It's not by the way, everything that is happening to them, and the country, is fully constitutional and legal beagle, the government judges have assured us of that.)

That this won't do any damage, or hurt the chances of the candidate?

But free people exercising their free speech rights to support the candidate of their choice does?

GTFO here...

 

[LatinsforPaul]

 

[LatinsforPaul]

 

[Anti Federalist]

It said in the indictment that Ron Paul had no idea what was going on. And Benton is not employed by Rand Paul. Hopefully the liberals will try to stir things up, but this is just more technical campaign finance law crap.

You watch what happens...

He'll skate on the actual FEC charges, but he's going to go to jail on a USC 1001 conviction.

If any statement he made to the everfucking feds during the course of the investigation turns out to be false, for any reason, then that is considered prima facie evidence of guilt.

If he hung around here and listened to nutcases like me, he might have picked up the idea to dummy the fuck up and NEVER talk to cops, ever.

 

[New York For Paul]

Puts to rest all the debates about the 2012 campaign being run well.

 

[Lord Xar]

And whats worse is that lots of liberty-minded people are buying into it

Doesn't matter if we are buying into it.. my point stands -- even if this all made up... my point was, this government and its sycophantic media can pretty much destroy anyone, anytime and naught anyone can do.

Hopefully, Rand can to turn this around on push their faces in it.. I hope he has a clever and honest retort.

Those leftist pigs (and neo-cons) dont' like that Rand is polling higher than Hillary in all the early states.