If he's lucky, he'll be asked two questions in this debate, with one of them being "Senator Paul, why would you sanction someone to head your super PAC who had recently been forced to step down from the McConnell campaign over these same improprieties?" The other question will be about Trump or something. There's no turning that around in the 30 seconds or so that he'll get.
DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate
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If he's lucky, he'll be asked two questions in this debate, with one of them being "Senator Paul, why would you sanction someone to head your super PAC who had recently been forced to step down from the McConnell campaign over these same improprieties?" The other question will be about Trump or something. There's no turning that around in the 30 seconds or so that he'll get.
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Collins showing up to defend this or to tell everyone "nothing to see here" is about as predictable as Zippy pooh-poohing anybody that has the first clue about the economy.
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That's exactly what will happen !!
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A great majority did. The rest just continued to shove their noggins deeper into their sphincter.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...on-involved-in-any-capacity-in-Rand-Paul-2016
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I had forgotten about this. thx for sharing.. new members need to read it.
...I just hope Rand has some good answers for when they drill him about Benton in the debate.
Only time will tell if this will hurt, help, or not matter for Rand in the long run.
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I agree.. they have been sitting on this waiting for a good time.
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They are grifters. Benton is part of their group. He's made a lot of money of fools like us.
If Rand is serious about winning, why on earth would he announce that he's "officially cut ties" *wink* *wink* just in time for Benton to head up the PAC? Because Benton and the PAC are part of Rand's plans. It's a horrible idea. Did Rand not think that it was a bad idea? Everybody knew this indictment was coming.
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Ouch... pretty harsh.
Can you back this up?
I have to admit I'm not happy about Ron running ads for .... oh hell... whoever that doomsday crank is...
Yeah, I just don't know what to make of it. Ron sounds so damn authentic, it's hard for me not to trust and respect him. And I like Rand most of the time. But I just don't get the motive here. If it were about fleecing people, he'd have fleeced a lot more by letting Benton go. There's something about their relationship that's never added up.
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"After Rand gets elected, he's gonna appoint Jesse to the SCOTUS just as soon as one of them old bastards already on it get's their ticket punched."
No, after Rand wins the White House he's going to give his first pardons of Presidency to Benton, Tate and Kesari. The day after the inauguration.
JJ you remember that speech in the movie The Untouchables where Kevin Costner said: "in Roman times when someone tried to bribe a public official that person was put into a bag with a wild animal and it was sewed shut and thrown into the river" Jesse should consider himself lucky he lives in the good old USA in 2015. The worst he'll probably get a year or two in club Fed prison and be let out early for good behavior. This has nothing to do with campaign finance laws. Benton, Kesari and Tate laundered cash to an Iowa state senator for his endorsement. That's a bribe and that's illegal. Period.
I could been Jesse Benton you know. I could have been one of those types who hangs around Washington or some state capital on the fringes, working for some political group, a coffee-boy for some no-name legislator or piddly-ass lobbyist. I could have been that. I wanted to be that growing up and be a part of the game, smell the power in the air. I'm very glad I didn't, because more often than not you wind up like him. He was a nobody who was hired by Kent Snyder because he worked cheap. There were many critical of his performance but one thing he did know how to do was marry the boss's granddaughter, of that he can be proud of as he wormed his way into the family and somehow thought himself indispensable. Penny Langford-Freeman will tell you otherwise.
All I care about was the Ron didn't know about any of this. And why would he? He's out giving the message. Benton, Kesari and Tate et. al. let him down big time. It didn't take long for Bachmann to figure out what was going on (largely because Sorenson was on the take to her campaign so he had to be bribed to switch sides) and she immediately screamed bribery, which Sorenson denied and lied about. But because the charge was thrown out there at the last minute without a proper response, I have to believe all the muck between Bachmann and Paul flying around simply convinced those Iowa voters who hand't made up their minds going into the caucus in 2012 to vote for Santorum. So the sure-fire plan win the caucuses on the back of a bribe to a crooked state senator only wound up backfiring on the campaign in the end. Way to go guys!
Wasn't four-years before in 2008 that some campaign staffer in Iowa, in a fit of pique for whatever reason, wrecked the campaign's master canvass list on the day of the caucus and volunteers and staffers had to wait around 4 p.m., a good three hours before the caucuses began, just to get a back-up list after the computer techs worked out the snafu? Well I guess Team Paul made a lot of progress in four years, from malignancy and incompetence to illegality and incompetence so who knows what f-up they have in store come next February?
So say a prayer for Mrs. Jesse Benton that her husband won't be in the can for too long (and privately wonder what she saw in the little trouser snake) and that Rand wisely and soberly takes stock in his campaign and finds a way to keep it from being an embarassment. Oh and Collins, just FYI...you do have the right to remain silent.
No, after Rand wins the White House he's going to give his first pardons of Presidency to Benton, Tate and Kesari. The day after the inauguration.
JJ you remember that speech in the movie The Untouchables where Kevin Costner said: "in Roman times when someone tried to bribe a public official that person was put into a bag with a wild animal and it was sewed shut and thrown into the river" Jesse should consider himself lucky he lives in the good old USA in 2015. The worst he'll probably get a year or two in club Fed prison and be let out early for good behavior. This has nothing to do with campaign finance laws. Benton, Kesari and Tate laundered cash to an Iowa state senator for his endorsement. That's a bribe and that's illegal. Period.
I could been Jesse Benton you know. I could have been one of those types who hangs around Washington or some state capital on the fringes, working for some political group, a coffee-boy for some no-name legislator or piddly-ass lobbyist. I could have been that. I wanted to be that growing up and be a part of the game, smell the power in the air. I'm very glad I didn't, because more often than not you wind up like him. He was a nobody who was hired by Kent Snyder because he worked cheap. There were many critical of his performance but one thing he did know how to do was marry the boss's granddaughter, of that he can be proud of as he wormed his way into the family and somehow thought himself indispensable. Penny Langford-Freeman will tell you otherwise.
All I care about was the Ron didn't know about any of this. And why would he? He's out giving the message. Benton, Kesari and Tate et. al. let him down big time. It didn't take long for Bachmann to figure out what was going on (largely because Sorenson was on the take to her campaign so he had to be bribed to switch sides) and she immediately screamed bribery, which Sorenson denied and lied about. But because the charge was thrown out there at the last minute without a proper response, I have to believe all the muck between Bachmann and Paul flying around simply convinced those Iowa voters who hand't made up their minds going into the caucus in 2012 to vote for Santorum. So the sure-fire plan win the caucuses on the back of a bribe to a crooked state senator only wound up backfiring on the campaign in the end. Way to go guys!
Wasn't four-years before in 2008 that some campaign staffer in Iowa, in a fit of pique for whatever reason, wrecked the campaign's master canvass list on the day of the caucus and volunteers and staffers had to wait around 4 p.m., a good three hours before the caucuses began, just to get a back-up list after the computer techs worked out the snafu? Well I guess Team Paul made a lot of progress in four years, from malignancy and incompetence to illegality and incompetence so who knows what f-up they have in store come next February?
So say a prayer for Mrs. Jesse Benton that her husband won't be in the can for too long (and privately wonder what she saw in the little trouser snake) and that Rand wisely and soberly takes stock in his campaign and finds a way to keep it from being an embarassment. Oh and Collins, just FYI...you do have the right to remain silent.
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I swear benton is deep undercover.
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He is actually pretty shallow. It is all the people around him providing cover. This guy can not stand on his own.
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Not on Drudge yet but on The Blaze.
Aides to Ron Paul’s 2012 Presidential Campaign Indicted on Conspiracy Charges
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...tial-campaign-indicted-on-conspiracy-charges/
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Three people who worked for Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign were charged Wednesday with conspiring to buy the support of a former Iowa state senator.
Among those changed is Jesse Benton, a political operative with deep ties to the Paul family. He now is a lead strategist for a super PAC supporting the 2016 presidential candidacy of Paul’s son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, and is married to Ron Paul’s granddaughter.
An indictment unsealed Wednesday charges Benton, John Tate and Dimitrios Kesari with conspiracy and several other related crimes.
“Federal campaign finance laws are intended to ensure the integrity and transparency of the federal election process,” said Assistant Attorney General Caldwell in a statement. “When political operatives make under-the-table payments to buy an elected official’s political support, it undermines public confidence in our entire political system.”
The indictment says the three Ron Paul staffers negotiated with former Iowa State Sen. Kent Sorenson to switch his support in the 2012 race from Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann to Ron Paul in exchange for money.
Sorenson last year pleaded guilty to charges stemming from the switch of support from one Republican candidate for president to another. Sorenson was state chairman for Bachmann’s campaign beginning in June 2011, and six days before the January 2012 Iowa caucuses, Sorenson declared his support for Paul, then a congressman from Texas.
Sorenson admitted to receiving thousands of dollars in “under the table payments” from a 2012 presidential campaign and lying about the money, the Justice Department said at the time.
Iowa state Senate rules forbid any sitting lawmaker from being paid by a campaign while in office.
The indictment says Benton, Tate and Kesari negotiated a payment of $73,000 to Sorenson, concealing the payments in campaign records and filings.
The indictment also says the arrangement was concealed from Ron Paul himself and that Benton, who did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Wednesday, initiated the deal.
Benton and Tate have lead roles at the best-funded super PAC supporting Rand Paul’s 2016 campaign, America’s Liberty, which reported raising more than $3 million in the first six months of the year. That is almost a quarter of the money raised by Rand Paul’s campaign and outside groups backing his White House bid.
During that time, Benton’s consulting group was paid $63,000 and Tate collected about $35,000 in salary, according to documents filed with the Federal Election Commission.
A spokesman for Rand Paul’s 2016 campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Aides to Ron Paul’s 2012 Presidential Campaign Indicted on Conspiracy Charges
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...tial-campaign-indicted-on-conspiracy-charges/
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Three people who worked for Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign were charged Wednesday with conspiring to buy the support of a former Iowa state senator.
Among those changed is Jesse Benton, a political operative with deep ties to the Paul family. He now is a lead strategist for a super PAC supporting the 2016 presidential candidacy of Paul’s son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, and is married to Ron Paul’s granddaughter.
An indictment unsealed Wednesday charges Benton, John Tate and Dimitrios Kesari with conspiracy and several other related crimes.
“Federal campaign finance laws are intended to ensure the integrity and transparency of the federal election process,” said Assistant Attorney General Caldwell in a statement. “When political operatives make under-the-table payments to buy an elected official’s political support, it undermines public confidence in our entire political system.”
The indictment says the three Ron Paul staffers negotiated with former Iowa State Sen. Kent Sorenson to switch his support in the 2012 race from Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann to Ron Paul in exchange for money.
Sorenson last year pleaded guilty to charges stemming from the switch of support from one Republican candidate for president to another. Sorenson was state chairman for Bachmann’s campaign beginning in June 2011, and six days before the January 2012 Iowa caucuses, Sorenson declared his support for Paul, then a congressman from Texas.
Sorenson admitted to receiving thousands of dollars in “under the table payments” from a 2012 presidential campaign and lying about the money, the Justice Department said at the time.
Iowa state Senate rules forbid any sitting lawmaker from being paid by a campaign while in office.
The indictment says Benton, Tate and Kesari negotiated a payment of $73,000 to Sorenson, concealing the payments in campaign records and filings.
The indictment also says the arrangement was concealed from Ron Paul himself and that Benton, who did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Wednesday, initiated the deal.
Benton and Tate have lead roles at the best-funded super PAC supporting Rand Paul’s 2016 campaign, America’s Liberty, which reported raising more than $3 million in the first six months of the year. That is almost a quarter of the money raised by Rand Paul’s campaign and outside groups backing his White House bid.
During that time, Benton’s consulting group was paid $63,000 and Tate collected about $35,000 in salary, according to documents filed with the Federal Election Commission.
A spokesman for Rand Paul’s 2016 campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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"Wait just a fucking minute...we're supposed to wink and nudge at the indictment, on felony charges, of an upper level campaign person connected to both Ron and Rand, because the law that they are being prosecuted under is somehow unconstitutional?"
Yes because they're ideologues, and ideologues amaze us with their ability to find any kind justification for any bad behavior so long as "fits the doctrine" or that the "flame of good intentions isn't squelched" to coin a phrase. Don't bother them with logic they're too busy trying to nail a square peg into a round hole and then when they can't, they'll take a gun and shoot the hole.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I think I read somewhere that bribery was illegal. Certainly if they thought they were above-board then why launder the money? Seventy-three grand?! Yeah, that's your money bomb money going to a good cause! It was well spent!
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Collins you're the same person who said Benton wasn't going to be indicted to begin with. So if I were you, instead of posting about the Constitution, I would be reading it, especially the part about the Fifth Amendment.
Maybe this is a good thing now that a good chunk of the claque will be spending more time with their lawyers than with the campaign. But then that begs the question what was Rand's overall role in 2012? Did he help to staff the campaign, hire Sabre and other professional parts of it? Help set up the structure? People are going to be asking that. They're going to ask why person facing possible indictment was allowed to to have any connection with, even a Super PAC after stepped down from the McConnell campaign under fire. That's not good judgement. In a massive candidate field, the last thing you want is for something like this to make enough of a black mark for to lead voters to pass you over. We'll see what happens tomorrow night but I'll say this, the only way this won't be an problem is if Rand pulls the plug on the campaign. Something he needs to think about.
Yes because they're ideologues, and ideologues amaze us with their ability to find any kind justification for any bad behavior so long as "fits the doctrine" or that the "flame of good intentions isn't squelched" to coin a phrase. Don't bother them with logic they're too busy trying to nail a square peg into a round hole and then when they can't, they'll take a gun and shoot the hole.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I think I read somewhere that bribery was illegal. Certainly if they thought they were above-board then why launder the money? Seventy-three grand?! Yeah, that's your money bomb money going to a good cause! It was well spent!
.Collins you're the same person who said Benton wasn't going to be indicted to begin with. So if I were you, instead of posting about the Constitution, I would be reading it, especially the part about the Fifth Amendment.
Maybe this is a good thing now that a good chunk of the claque will be spending more time with their lawyers than with the campaign. But then that begs the question what was Rand's overall role in 2012? Did he help to staff the campaign, hire Sabre and other professional parts of it? Help set up the structure? People are going to be asking that. They're going to ask why person facing possible indictment was allowed to to have any connection with, even a Super PAC after stepped down from the McConnell campaign under fire. That's not good judgement. In a massive candidate field, the last thing you want is for something like this to make enough of a black mark for to lead voters to pass you over. We'll see what happens tomorrow night but I'll say this, the only way this won't be an problem is if Rand pulls the plug on the campaign. Something he needs to think about.
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"Wait just a fucking minute...we're supposed to wink and nudge at the indictment, on felony charges, of an upper level campaign person connected to both Ron and Rand, because the law that they are being prosecuted under is somehow unconstitutional?"
Yes because they're ideologues, and ideologues amaze us with their ability to find any kind justification for any bad behavior so long as "fits the doctrine" or that the "flame of good intentions isn't squelched" to coin a phrase. Don't bother them with logic they're too busy trying to nail a square peg into a round hole and then when they can't, they'll take a gun and shoot the hole.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I think I read somewhere that bribery was illegal. Certainly if they thought they were above-board then why launder the money? Seventy grand?! Yeah, that's your money bomb money going to a good cause! It was well spent!.
Collins you're the same person who said Benton wasn't going to be indicted to begin with. So if I were you, instead of posting about the Constitution, I would be reading it, especially the part about the Fifth Amendment.
Maybe this is a good thing now that a good chunk of the claque will be spending more time with their lawyers than with the campaign. But then that begs the question what was Rand's overall role in 2012? Did he help to staff the campaign, hire Sabre and other professional parts of it? Help set up the structure? People are going to be asking that. They're going to ask why person facing possible indictment was allowed to to have any connection with, even a Super PAC after stepped down from the McConnell campaign under fire. That's not good judgement. In a massive candidate field, the last thing you want is for something like this to make enough of a black mark for to lead voters to pass you over. We'll see what happens tomorrow night but I'll say this, the only way this won't be an problem is if Rand pulls the plug on the campaign. Something he needs to think about.
Yes because they're ideologues, and ideologues amaze us with their ability to find any kind justification for any bad behavior so long as "fits the doctrine" or that the "flame of good intentions isn't squelched" to coin a phrase. Don't bother them with logic they're too busy trying to nail a square peg into a round hole and then when they can't, they'll take a gun and shoot the hole.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I think I read somewhere that bribery was illegal. Certainly if they thought they were above-board then why launder the money? Seventy grand?! Yeah, that's your money bomb money going to a good cause! It was well spent!
.Collins you're the same person who said Benton wasn't going to be indicted to begin with. So if I were you, instead of posting about the Constitution, I would be reading it, especially the part about the Fifth Amendment.
Maybe this is a good thing now that a good chunk of the claque will be spending more time with their lawyers than with the campaign. But then that begs the question what was Rand's overall role in 2012? Did he help to staff the campaign, hire Sabre and other professional parts of it? Help set up the structure? People are going to be asking that. They're going to ask why person facing possible indictment was allowed to to have any connection with, even a Super PAC after stepped down from the McConnell campaign under fire. That's not good judgement. In a massive candidate field, the last thing you want is for something like this to make enough of a black mark for to lead voters to pass you over. We'll see what happens tomorrow night but I'll say this, the only way this won't be an problem is if Rand pulls the plug on the campaign. Something he needs to think about.
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