Does Liberty exist without God?

[ClayTrainor]

The concept of liberty exists, whether you believe in God or not. I haven't seen any proof that God somehow "bestowed" rights upon us, or anything like that. The concept of liberty and rights were developed by humans, for humans. To say that we "wouldn't have liberty" with or without God is a totally useless statement, because the existence of a supreme being cannot be verified, and no principles can be derived from assuming its existence, because we know nothing about it.

Exactly!

a supernatural being, as explained in ancient texts written by men, can neither be proven or disproven objectively and is irrelevant to the topic of natural rights. Morality must be defined by our nature, which is that we are animals with the right to life. "Do unto others..." is a good philosophy to live by, under our reason.

I don't believe anybody is in control, and that's the real beauty of it. It just is, and always will be, and we are it.

"From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them and that is eternity." ~Edvard Munch