Do you want Jesse Benton involved in any capacity in Rand Paul 2016?

[jjdoyle]

Over and fucking over. You are a damn broken record.

The Kent Sorenson issue, if it is true, was stupid as all hell. Getting him was irrelevant and to try to buy him off, if that is what indeed happened, was dumber than dirt.

They didn't attack Romney, because as you have been told numerous times, yet you just gloss over and keep repeating your diatribe, was because they wanted it to end up being a 2 man race between Romney and Paul. Unfortunately, that didn't work out.

Paul stood no chance in Virginia. To spend money there would have been like pouring money down a rat hole.

This digital diarrhea you type on the keyboard repeatedly defending a lying, dishonest, corrupt campaign, is beyond disgusting. I'm that I'm immune to it.

You have a defeatist's attitude. Paul stood no chance in Virginia, so no point in trying? Despite the facts/numbers making A LOT more sense than Michigan. Which you can't explain. Virginia, the first one-vs-one state. NOT ONE dime on ads, positive or negative.

So, your stupid, "they wanted it to end up being a 2 man race between Romney and Paul." holds no water. Unless you can point me to a state RP was actually going to win, once it became a two man race.
North Carolina? Nope.
California? Nope.
Texas? Nope.

I am the digital medicine, to the digital diarrhea people like you, Matt Collins, and Rocco are trying to spread.

They didn't attack Romney, because they agreed to not do so. And at that point, should have ended the campaign. Doug Wead told us about this decision. The fact you are denying that, is beyond stupid. I'm sorry you can't comprehend the facts, and they need to be repeated over and over for people just like you.

A rat hole = Michigan.
Virginia = first one-vs-one state. Worth running ads to try and win some delegates, if not the entire state.

 

[klamath]

This digital diarrhea you type on the keyboard repeatedly defending a lying, dishonest, corrupt campaign, is beyond disgusting. I'm that I'm immune to it.

You have a defeatist's attitude. Paul stood no chance in Virginia, so no point in trying? Despite the facts/numbers making A LOT more sense than Michigan. Which you can't explain. Virginia, the first one-vs-one state. NOT ONE dime on ads, positive or negative.

So, your stupid, "they wanted it to end up being a 2 man race between Romney and Paul." holds no water. Unless you can point me to a state RP was actually going to win, once it became a two man race.
North Carolina? Nope.
California? Nope.
Texas? Nope.

I am the digital medicine, to the digital diarrhea people like you, Matt Collins, and Rocco are trying to spread.

They didn't attack Romney, because they agreed to not do so. And at that point, should have ended the campaign. Doug Wead told us about this decision. The fact you are denying that, is beyond stupid. I'm sorry you can't comprehend the facts, and they need to be repeated over and over for people just like you.

A rat hole = Michigan.
Virginia = first one-vs-one state. Worth running ads to try and win some delegates, if not the entire state.

You have proved the campaign was incompetent, you have proved that the campaign did not attack Romney but you have not except with circumstantial evidence made the case it was intentionally trying to deceive donors to help Romney win the nomination.
If I was on a jury I would have to vote to acquit. Case not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[JK/SEA]

You have proved the campaign was incompetent, you have proved that the campaign did not attack Romney but you have not except with circumstantial evidence made the case it was intentionally trying to deceive donors to help Romney win the nomination.
If I was on a jury I would have to vote to acquit. Case not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

for me personnally, and as a PCO, i had to hold my nose so i couldn't smell the stink. Just because you couldn't smell it, doesn't mean it didn't smell like shit.

my verdict...guilty.

 

[mosquitobite]

You have proved the campaign was incompetent, you have proved that the campaign did not attack Romney but you have not except with circumstantial evidence made the case it was intentionally trying to deceive donors to help Romney win the nomination.
If I was on a jury I would have to vote to acquit. Case not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

That's not what the poll shows. The number of NOs continues to grow while the yes's do not.

 

[klamath]

for me personnally, and as a PCO, i had to hold my nose so i couldn't smell the stink. Just because you couldn't smell it, doesn't mean it didn't smell like shit.

my verdict...guilty.

I personally could make a stronger circumstantial case Ron does all this to personally make money for himself and family. He did the newsletters to make money, he built a fanatic base of donors running, he attempted to steal a donor created website to make money off of it, he built a donor only supported closed channel,..... All circumstantial but if we are going to convict on that Hmmmmm.....

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I personally could make a stronger circumstantial case Ron does all this to personally make money for himself and family. He did the newsletters to make money, he built a fanatic base of donors running, he attempted to steal a donor created website to make money off of it, he built a donor only supported closed channel,..... All circumstantial but if we are going to convict on that Hmmmmm.....

Like, in everything, honesty is paramount.

If I offer a service that others are willing to buy into, and I do provide that service as advertised, then I see no problem with it. It is a voluntary exchange where both sides of the exchange are beneficial and complete.

On the other hand, if one side is falsely advertising, while subverting the common goal openly agreed upon, then there is fraud.

 

[jjdoyle]

You have proved the campaign was incompetent, you have proved that the campaign did not attack Romney but you have not except with circumstantial evidence made the case it was intentionally trying to deceive donors to help Romney win the nomination.
If I was on a jury I would have to vote to acquit. Case not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

And the incompetence is more than enough of a reason for Jesse Benton, John Tate, and other staffers on Ron Paul 2012 to not be near Rand in 2016. Point proven.

BUT, if I was taking this to trial, I would of course need/want the phone records/email records.
And getting people like Doug Wead to testify about what was happening. Once you establish the fact they were lying to supporters (proven by showing the emails that all funds would be used to win the nomination, then them turning down refund requests from supporters after the RNC, them ending the campaign and sitting on more than a million cash-on-hand, not having any digital contact information for supporters to contact them now, only physical snail mail now, etc.) and can't be trusted to the jurors/judge, a civil case is much different from a criminal case.

I'll leave the criminal case to the FBI's current investigation of the Kent Sorenson issue.

And being that this post is about if I want Jesse Benton to be involved in 2016, and you have said I have proven the campaign was incompetent, is exactly the point. I don't even put it all on Jesse Benton, I include others like John Tate, Matt Collins, and staffers trying to get supporters to donate to what was/is a dishonest campaign. Some only taking paychecks from supporters, but not donating to the cause they supposedly believed in themselves?

 

[Arklatex]

LibertyEagle, Sir Collins, others realize doyle has a slight point so realize it to satisfy his ego.

Of all the possible outcomes, Ron wanted a Romney Pres over Newt, Unsanitory, and Barack if he were a king maker which also positioned us best for the future within our chosen path. Is that not maybe true? So what?

Doyle, don't trash the entire campaign. Ron cares about this mission to the point of Martyrdom, respect that - we have our loyal opposition that will and has gone to those lengths.

Would there have been an Jesus Miracle at the convention and we got the nomination you think Ron would have turned it down? It was dumb/divine luck that got him elected into congress and we were always holding out for that again.

Look where we are with Rand going into 2016. WOW, I can't believe it. We went from some "loonies" sitting around in the proverbial basement discussing the taboo(the fed, etc etc) to where we are now. Was there ever a thread in the history of the 'net like this that ended in cohesion? Why not try and make one. Kiss Bow and make up. We are the microcosm and if we want macrosomic results then it starts here.

Compliment each other, Do it! We have way more in common than all you egos. If you can't - you expect an entire country to?

 

[jjdoyle]

LibertyEagle, Sir Collins, others realize doyle has a slight point so realize it to satisfy his ego.

Of all the possible outcomes, Ron wanted a Romney Pres over Newt, Unsanitory, and Barack if he were a king maker which also positioned us best for the future within our chosen path. Is that not maybe true? So what?

Doyle, don't trash the entire campaign. Ron cares about this mission to the point of Martyrdom, respect that - we have our loyal opposition that will and has gone to those lengths.

Would there have been an Jesus Miracle at the convention and we got the nomination you think Ron would have turned it down? It was dumb/divine luck that got him elected into congress and we were always holding out for that again.

Look where we are with Rand going into 2016. WOW, I can't believe it. We went from some "loonies" sitting around in the proverbial basement discussing the taboo(the fed, etc etc) to where we are now. Was there ever a thread in the history of the 'net like this that ended in cohesion? Why not try and make one. Kiss Bow and make up. We are the microcosm and if we want macrosomic results then it starts here.

Compliment each other, Do it! We have way more in common than all you egos. If you can't - you expect an entire country to?

The bold part is apparently not true at all. According to Doug Wead, the reason Ron Paul 2012 didn't attack Romney, is because Romney's campaign threatened to destroy Ron Paul's name. And if RP cares about this to the point of Martyrdom, why is his message now hidden behind a pay wall?

And I don't exactly see where we are in 2016, because the real attacks haven't even happened yet.
You know, the same media that didn't give Ron Paul 2008 a chance, then after the campaign thought RP was the greatest politician since sliced bread, then in 2012 made him to be a devil, loon, or naive, again? Like, Glenn Beck...

Based on history, I expect no less moving forward. Except now, if Rudy Giuliani/John McCain/Lindsey Graham types are running as well, and were to beat Rand, we can at least expect Rand to endorse them if they were to win the nomination. Because our "devil" is less evil than their "devil". And it's just a game apparently, to collect a nice government paycheck.

And being that Ron Paul 2012 got fewer votes with the best Republican candidate than Rick Santorum/Newt Gingrich, I'm not sure what I'm to expect in 2016, once the real attacks start coming.

The moment they agreed to not attack Mitt Romney though, was the moment Ron Paul 2012 should have closed shop. Or, at the very least, not asked for one more dime. And nobody associated with making those decisions at Ron Paul 2012, and those trying to excuse lying to supporters now, should be near Rand in 2016.

So, perhaps Ron/Rand should come out and address why Ron Paul 2012 lied to supporters for months, before they expect some of those supporters to return with money/time in 2016.

 

[JK/SEA]

Uh no. The conspiracy movement helped to keep Ron marginalized.

almost forgot...

Matt, wipe your mouth off, ya got shit stains in the corners.

 

[fr33]

jjdoyle makes more sense on this topic than anyone else. I wish it weren't true but it is.

We're so bold that we're going raise a group of delegates to get us elected then after we email you telling you it's a lost cause, we'll start charging you to hear what we have to say.

I want Rand to run a campaign better than Ron did. Anything less and I'll know it's a scam.

 

[Carlybee]

LibertyEagle, Sir Collins, others realize doyle has a slight point so realize it to satisfy his ego.

Of all the possible outcomes, Ron wanted a Romney Pres over Newt, Unsanitory, and Barack if he were a king maker which also positioned us best for the future within our chosen path. Is that not maybe true? So what?

Doyle, don't trash the entire campaign. Ron cares about this mission to the point of Martyrdom, respect that - we have our loyal opposition that will and has gone to those lengths.

Would there have been an Jesus Miracle at the convention and we got the nomination you think Ron would have turned it down? It was dumb/divine luck that got him elected into congress and we were always holding out for that again.

Look where we are with Rand going into 2016. WOW, I can't believe it. We went from some "loonies" sitting around in the proverbial basement discussing the taboo(the fed, etc etc) to where we are now. Was there ever a thread in the history of the 'net like this that ended in cohesion? Why not try and make one. Kiss Bow and make up. We are the microcosm and if we want macrosomic results then it starts here.

Compliment each other, Do it! We have way more in common than all you egos. If you can't - you expect an entire country to?

You do know the GOP ptb still thinks you're a bunch of loonies right?

 

[Arklatex]

jjdoyle you truly believe Paul was scared of Romney trashing him? That I do not believe that for one second.

I think you misjudge his character. Evidence is everything he has done. And that money is his motivation? Naw man.

 

[Arklatex]

You do know the GOP ptb still thinks you're a bunch of loonies right?

Not the true ptb. And I refer will start referring to them as the powers that were.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

jjdoyle you truly believe Paul was scared of Romney trashing him? That I do not believe that for one second.

I think you misjudge his character. Evidence is everything he has done. And that money is his motivation? Naw man.

@JJDoyle is not talking out of his ass. And maybe it had nothing to do with Ron, but Ron Paul 2012 campaign staff. Take a bit of time and have a listen to this, then you will hear for yourself.

 

[jjdoyle]

jjdoyle you truly believe Paul was scared of Romney trashing him? That I do not believe that for one second.

I think you misjudge his character. Evidence is everything he has done. And that money is his motivation? Naw man.

Here ya go:


You don't even have to look for it, I trimmed it down for you.

 

[Arklatex]

I saw that tube when it came out.

 

[jjdoyle]

jjdoyle you truly believe Paul was scared of Romney trashing him? That I do not believe that for one second.

I think you misjudge his character. Evidence is everything he has done. And that money is his motivation? Naw man.

If money isn't the motivation, why is Ron Paul Channel behind a pay wall? He could be making money on YouTube and other services just like it, where the videos could be shared with millions of people on social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter.

So, yes, I do believe RP2012 was scared of the ads Romney was going to run. Ads that would have destroyed Ron Paul's name with the general GOP voter, even more than had already been done. Rand would be included in that, and the "future" of the liberty movement. Instead of ending the campaign though, like they should have, they continued to lie to supporters for months. Wasting time, and money.

 

[Arklatex]

Omg, well dude I'll give you my userid and password, only to you, so you can get behind that $10 pay wall. You know, it does cost a bit to try and counter the Media by starting your own professional news channel - how many other former Presidential Candidates are doing so? Please man, I barely even watch it as it's nothing new he hasn't expressed ad hominem in the public domain for his entire life. And the important clips are on youtube and I don't see them being taken down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWLjcNNU5YM

Over 100,000 views, please man, if you think Paul is motivated by money and that is why he has taken on what he has then, dude, I misjudged your intuition. You're lashing out from some adolescent complex. Who is it that you DO support? Bob Barr? Cruz? Anyone? or do you only criticize?

 

[Arklatex]

That's Ventura haha, but anyway.