Do you want Jesse Benton involved in any capacity in Rand Paul 2016?

[phill4paul]

That's a good cop out. Just ignore what you can't respond to and call it rhetoric that is beneath you.

Oh,CC. SMDH. You know better than that when it comes to Teh Collinz.

 

[Matt Collins]

In your mind, who convinced him to run? The GOP? From where do you think the grassroots originated, Matt? lol. Aaron Russo had mass-media reach Matt. You know who he was, right?

Kent Snyder.

if they had been communicated with, instead of ostracized, things probably would have been different.

No, because many of them do not have the capacity to understand why they should not be vocal about their conspiracy agenda, and many others simply don't care because they were trying to use Ron to get their message out. And as I said, in a political campaign, you cannot validate a crowd like that.



I am in no way comparing the conspiracy crowd to say the KKK, but this is a very similar analogy: Imagine if a Republican candidate had lots of members of the Klan as a segment of his support base. He can't simply tell them that he wants their support but they must quiet down on their racist overtones. That doesn't work, that candidate MUST actively distance himself from his supporters who are open and avowed racists, otherwise the candidate will be marginalized and the Klan members supporting him become the issue in the campaign instead of the candidate's message.

Again, I am not saying the conspiracy crowd is like the Klan in any way, but I am saying that when a candidate has a group of supporters in his base that is potentially toxic, it is a requirement for a candidate to distance themselves from them or else lose.


That is as plain as I can make it and I am not trying to be mean or rude or insulting about it. That is just the way the world works.

 

[Matt Collins]

Then please link. If it is something that you are versed at then it should come as easy as posting anything else you have written without directly responding to the content and assertions.

Dozens of times and then I gave up because it's like talking to a brick wall again because he is here to spread disinfo. Just go to the forum search too, type in my name as author, and then type in his username under the "search what" field and you'll find them.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Oh,CC. SMDH. You know better than that when it comes to Teh Collinz.

I was referring to his ego, not physical size

 

[Occam's Banana]

Then please link.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

HTH

 

[ClydeCoulter]

You must be right, Teh Collinz, the movement should be separated from the likes of Alex Jones...oops....tell Ron Paul to get away from there...ahhhhhhhh http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?448869-Ron-Paul-on-The-Alex-Jones-Show-4-3-14

 

[phill4paul]

After saying in a paragraph why your definition of "toxic" in the liberty movement is the equivalent of the Klan you say........

Again, I am not saying the conspiracy crowd is like the Klan in any way,

You're a politician through and through. That's why many here don't cotton to ya.

 

[jjdoyle]

I am not taking anything personally. But I will say that there is a lot of mis/disinfo in this thread by people who are either trying to create their own narrative, or simply don't know what they were talking about. As someone who had not just a front row seat to the action, but was actually involved in a good portion of it, I am here to dispel the nonsense.

Truth is not disinfo. Defending and trying to rewrite what the campaign did/didn't do is disinfo. I'm still waiting on you to provide me with the Mitt Romney only TV attack ad Ron Paul 2012 ran, like they did for Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich.
You and your stupid "front row seat to the action" claims don't mean crap, when you have repeatedly shown you had no clue what the campaign was doing. You didn't know about the Kent Sorenson issue, or the agreement to not attack Mitt Romney before Michigan's Primary.

Or, maybe you did, and you're just defending liars that thought it wise to waste supporters' time and money for months? It does seem birds of a feather, flock together.

You can't dispel truth, even if you try. And unfortunately for a lying, deceitful, dishonest campaign, I have the facts on my side. Along with their actions/non-actions/words. Ron Paul 2012 was 100% dishonest with supporters from the moment they agreed to not attack Mitt Romney, apparently made a backroom deal with his campaign, and stayed in the race.

Continuing to waste supporters' time and money to push a fake delegate strategy they made sure wouldn't be an issue at the RNC for King Romney. Because after all, Rand's speaking slot was oh so important, to grow the movement by first destroying it with a lying endorsement of Mitt Romney and having Ron Paul 2012's campaign website used to try (but failed) and defend it.

 

[Rocco]

LOL @ the Alex Jones tactic of repeating yourself loudly over and over, it's no wonder that all of your defenders on this thread seem to have an affinity for 9/11 truth. This line of non logic only works on those who cannot connect point A to point B.

Like Matt, I am done here. You cannot debate someone who cannot follow a logical train of thought and instead will respond to every one of your posts by essentially copy n pasting a post theyve written 1000 times.

I'm still waiting on you to provide me with the Mitt Romney only TV attack ad Ron Paul 2012 ran, like they did for Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich.

 

[jjdoyle]

LOL @ the Alex Jones tactic of repeating yourself loudly over and over, it's no wonder that all of your defenders on this thread seem to have an affinity for 9/11 truth. This line of non logic only works on those who cannot connect point A to point B.

Like Matt, I am done here. You cannot debate someone who cannot follow a logical train of thought and instead will respond to every one of your posts by essentially copy n pasting a post theyve written 1000 times.

I never said anything about 9/11, so your stupid logic here is just that, stupid. You can't address the points, so you pull a Rudy Giuliani, and go to a totally different topic. From "our government's actions have consequences", to "you're blaming BBQing rednecks for 9/11!".

FWIW, I don't even listen to Alex Jones, or any talk radio really.

Please, for myself and others, answer the simple question. What are the 10 caucus states you said the campaign was concentrating on instead of Virginia? And I expect they had results that were worth it that you can point to also?

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Only if Collins is thrown in as a consolation prize.









Otherwise I may actually waste my time campaigning for him. Only with these two behind it is it obvious the campaign will be going nowhere.

 

[mosquitobite]

What's interesting is that Rocco voted yes.

Matt didn't vote.

 

[Anti Federalist]

''THESE PEOPLE''...what people?....blacks?...gays?...hispanics?...or people like me and Debbie, or AF, or 81% of the people on this forum?.......?

seems to me we need to distance ourselves from people LIKE YOU, in order to break the cycle of the status quo you support.

Real people, that's who...

Real people, who are, to paraphrase Jimmy Stewart: the ones who do most of living and working and paying and dying in this open air prison called AmeriKa.

You see, we are loud, and abrasive and angry at what's happening to our country.

Therefore we are an embarrassment to the people that did this.

The ones that Collinz agrees with, that claim they are living in the poorhouse at $174,000 a year plus unlimited perqs, for the "service" of bankrupting and enslaving us.

We don't shine on in the Georgetown cocktail party circuit, you see.

We are supposed to do what our masters and enforcers tell us to do:

Shut the fuck up and move along.

 

[jjdoyle]

Real people, that's who...

Real people, who are, to paraphrase Jimmy Stewart: the ones who do most of living and working and paying and dying in this open air prison called AmeriKa.

You see, we are loud, and abrasive and angry at what's happening to our country.

Therefore we are an embarrassment to the people that did this.

The ones that Collinz agrees with, that claim they are living in the poorhouse at $174,000 a year plus unlimited perqs, for the "service" of bankrupting and enslaving us.

We don't shine on in the Georgetown cocktail party circuit, you see.

We are supposed to do what our masters and enforcers tell us to do:

Shut the fuck up and move along.

He was completely clueless on the MRA accounts for expenses, and I think I have finally figured out the perfect campaign worker.

You must think politicians are poor that will be making $150K+ a year, plus benefits/travel expense accounts. And you must repeat that drivel, because politicians always need "more money" from the people.

Don't ask questions. Just give more money. The experts are busy with backroom deals for their future.

 

[Matt Collins]

This is why JJDoyles is wrong:

 

[jjdoyle]

This is why JJDoyles is wrong:

LOL, already watched that when it was originally posted. He explains nothing that the grassroots that were paying attention to during the campaign, didn't already know.
AND, I find it hilarious that you and Rocco can't type responses, but provide wasteful 30+ minute videos. Seriously, that video explains nothing about the Kent Sorenson issue, the agreement to not attack Mitt Romney, why the campaign spent $100K attacking Rick Santorum in Michigan, etc.

 

[specsaregood]

//

 

[phill4paul]

This is why JJDoyles is wrong:

My response lies in this youtube. Can you dispute the points made in this video regarding the issue?

 

[jjdoyle]

My response lies in this youtube. Can you dispute the points made in this video regarding the issue?

I think I'm going to need to read the book now. I missed the Kent Sorenson issue, agreement to not attack Romney, and the wasting of $100K in Michigan, but not spending one dime in Virginia on ads, in it.
It says "FULL" audio in the title, but I'm thinking they skimmed certain parts from it in the final edit.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think I'm going to need to read the book now. I missed the Kent Sorenson issue, agreement to not attack Romney, and the wasting of $100K in Michigan, but not spending one dime in Virginia on ads, in it.
It says "FULL" audio in the title, but I'm thinking they skimmed certain parts from it in the final edit.

Over and fucking over. You are a damn broken record.

The Kent Sorenson issue, if it is true, was stupid as all hell. Getting him was irrelevant and to try to buy him off, if that is what indeed happened, was dumber than dirt.

They didn't attack Romney, because as you have been told numerous times, yet you just gloss over and keep repeating your diatribe, was because they wanted it to end up being a 2 man race between Romney and Paul. Unfortunately, that didn't work out.

Paul stood no chance in Virginia. To spend money there would have been like pouring money down a rat hole.