Do you think the Kucinich remark.....

[bomgoat]

Some of the responses to the question asked just go to show that not only is our Government Bureaucratic, so are the citizens of our country. While serving in the military, which is nothing but a bureaucracy, there are many leaders who will say and do the opposite of what they truly believe so that they will not tarnish their name and reputation. Of course to do such a thing means you wont get that Colonel or General promotion, so you basically play the game in the system. Its no different in politics, these crooks say things that they know the American people want to hear but most of them dont honestly mean it. It floors me to think that some of the American people think Ron Paul should have answered that question the way a real politician or "Bureaucrat" should have. What sets Ron Paul apart from the rest of the field is his Honesty and Integrity. The answer he gave was his honest answer, hes not gonna lie and say Hillary or Obama.... they have absolutely nothing in common in what he believes. And if people think Ron Paul is gonna lose some voters because he said Dennis Kucinich, well they need to give their head a shake. The answer he gave should motivate people to want to vote for Ron Paul. He showed the American people that he will not sell out and tell a lie to save face, he showed the American people he is not a "Bureaucrat".

 

[JoBurke]

Some of the responses to the question asked just go to show that not only is our Government Bureaucratic, so are the citizens of our country. While serving in the military, which is nothing but a bureaucracy, there are many leaders who will say and do the opposite of what they truly believe so that they will not tarnish their name and reputation. Of course to do such a thing means you wont get that Colonel or General promotion, so you basically play the game in the system. Its no different in politics, these crooks say things that they know the American people want to hear but most of them dont honestly mean it. It floors me to think that some of the American people think Ron Paul should have answered that question the way a real politician or "Bureaucrat" should have. What sets Ron Paul apart from the rest of the field is his Honesty and Integrity. The answer he gave was his honest answer, hes not gonna lie and say Hillary or Obama.... they have absolutely nothing in common in what he believes. And if people think Ron Paul is gonna lose some voters because he said Dennis Kucinich, well they need to give their head a shake. The answer he gave should motivate people to want to vote for Ron Paul. He showed the American people that he will not sell out and tell a lie to save face, he showed the American people he is not a "Bureaucrat".

Amen Brother!

I can feel that you are as I am ex-military, we are not afraid to say exactly what we mean, and recognize courage when we see it Toujours pret!

By the way - (like for the guy that PM´d me...my reply)- you have a choice, be a man and have integrity - or play the game - thats on you....just notice...it is like having a mirror held in front of your face everytime you make a comment...if you wake up every morning and live by that code, you will do just fine...and like Ron Paul...not have to second guess decisions...wont have to think twice about comments...and your integrity will shine though as well as your conviction, and your sincerity...

 

[partypooper]

it was a disaster of a response and a disaster of an appearance.

he felt compelled to pick kucinich as the closest democrat but had no problem saying that no republican candidate was close enough to him. but that answer was only a part of the problem - dr paul also said that other republican candidates are attacking romney because of his religion - an unfair, paranoid and in any case unsubstantiated accusation.

dr paul also repeated a disastrous healthcare "argument" that we should be spending our military money on healthcare, coming across as a hard-core pacifist and a proponent of socialized health care. the comments about fox being scared of him were not very good either.

the only good part was his response to foreign policy question (analogy with murder and motive). but apart from that it was a disaster.

 

[jason43]

I honestly think that the only people paying this close of attention to every word are us.

Most average people watching this show will only remember the jist of the interview, not think "OMG he just mentioned Kusinich" and then not vote for him.

Its pretty irrelevent as far as the general electorate is concerned.

 

[Alvination]

it was a disaster of a response and a disaster of an appearance.

he felt compelled to pick kucinich as the closest democrat but had not problem saying that no republican candidate was close enough to him. but that answer was only a part of the problem - dr paul also said that other republican candidates are attacking romney because of his religion - an unfair, paranoid and in any case unsubstantiated accusation.

dr paul also repeated a disastrous healthcare "argument" that we should be spending our military money on healthcare, coming across as a hard-core pacifist and a proponent of socialized health care. the comments about fox being scared of him were not very good either.

the only good part was his response to foreign policy question (analogy with murder and motive). but apart from that it was a disaster.

You definitely live up to your name.

 

[Mental Dribble]

Some of the responses to the question asked just go to show that not only is our Government Bureaucratic, so are the citizens of our country. While serving in the military, which is nothing but a bureaucracy, there are many leaders who will say and do the opposite of what they truly believe so that they will not tarnish their name and reputation. Of course to do such a thing means you wont get that Colonel or General promotion, so you basically play the game in the system. Its no different in politics, these crooks say things that they know the American people want to hear but most of them dont honestly mean it. It floors me to think that some of the American people think Ron Paul should have answered that question the way a real politician or "Bureaucrat" should have. What sets Ron Paul apart from the rest of the field is his Honesty and Integrity. The answer he gave was his honest answer, hes not gonna lie and say Hillary or Obama.... they have absolutely nothing in common in what he believes. And if people think Ron Paul is gonna lose some voters because he said Dennis Kucinich, well they need to give their head a shake. The answer he gave should motivate people to want to vote for Ron Paul. He showed the American people that he will not sell out and tell a lie to save face, he showed the American people he is not a "Bureaucrat".

I am in the military as well.

And I Agree he is a man of integrity and says what he believes and that is a great thing.

My question was more about how will OTHERS react to it, not if he should have said it or not.

 

[Mental Dribble]

I honestly think that the only people paying this close of attention to every word are us.

Most average people watching this show will only remember the jist of the interview, not think "OMG he just mentioned Kusinich" and then not vote for him.

Its pretty irrelevent as far as the general electorate is concerned.

you may be right... we here on the forums pay extra close attention and analyze everything, but its because we want him to win so badly.

 

[JoBurke]

it was a disaster of a response and a disaster of an appearance.

he felt compelled to pick kucinich as the closest democrat but had no problem saying that no republican candidate was close enough to him. but that answer was only a part of the problem - dr paul also said that other republican candidates are attacking romney because of his religion - an unfair, paranoid and in any case unsubstantiated accusation.

dr paul also repeated a disastrous healthcare "argument" that we should be spending our military money on healthcare, coming across as a hard-core pacifist and a proponent of socialized health care. the comments about fox being scared of him were not very good either.

the only good part was his response to foreign policy question (analogy with murder and motive). but apart from that it was a disaster.

You really need to recognize...I now give you a choice: finance killing thousands of our troops and other poeple...or use that money to fund health care for our own citizens (which he did not say by the way) ??? pretty easy choice party pooper.

you need to get back to honesty and not evaluation...you dont have to support Dr. Paul...there are plenty of other candidates in the republican field for you...I dont htink anyone is going to force you to stay.

 

[Mental Dribble]

it was a disaster of a response and a disaster of an appearance.

he felt compelled to pick kucinich as the closest democrat but had no problem saying that no republican candidate was close enough to him. but that answer was only a part of the problem - dr paul also said that other republican candidates are attacking romney because of his religion - an unfair, paranoid and in any case unsubstantiated accusation.

dr paul also repeated a disastrous healthcare "argument" that we should be spending our military money on healthcare, coming across as a hard-core pacifist and a proponent of socialized health care. the comments about fox being scared of him were not very good either.

the only good part was his response to foreign policy question (analogy with murder and motive). but apart from that it was a disaster.

haha your a cwack. He made a great appearance and definitely gained support.

 

[JS4Pat]

He had no problem saying that no republican candidate was close enough to him.

That is the TRUTH - WTF do you want him to do - LIE for VOTES?

There is no way I will be supporting any of those other GOP candidates come November!

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

He was in california and people in california love them both.

 

[JS4Pat]

Dr. Paul also said that other republican candidates are attacking romney because of his religion - an unfair, paranoid and in any case unsubstantiated accusation.

He said "I'M AFRAID THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENNING".

And if you don't think there is a high probability that some of that is going on in the Huckabee camp - you are fooling yourself.

 

[partypooper]

You really need to recognize...I now give you a choice: finance killing thousands of our troops and other poeple...or use that money to fund health care for our own citizens (which he did not say by the way) ??? pretty easy choice party pooper.

merely by framing the issue in those terms dr paul comes across as a socialist. only for socialists the dilemma is how government should spend the money and what should "we" be doing with the money. for libertarians dilemma was supposed to be how to give the government as little money as possible. he was supposed to reject the dilemma rather than propose channeling money from one part of government to the other.

 

[JoBurke]

merely by framing the issue in those terms dr paul comes across as a socialist. only for socialists the dilemma is how government should spend the money and what should "we" be doing with the money. for libertarians dilemma was supposed to be how to give the government as little money as possible. he was supposed to reject the dilemma rather than propose channeling money from one part of government to the other.

look man, he was not "supposed" to do anything except be the man he is and I support that....

but thanks of ryour comments Mr. Perfect.

Damn man am I the only one not understanding here what is so wrong woth sticking to ones own principles and being honest at all times?

 

[JS4Pat]

dr paul also repeated a disastrous healthcare "argument" that we should be spending our military money on healthcare, coming across as a hard-core pacifist and a proponent of socialized health care. the comments about fox being scared of him were not very good either.

Have to somewhat agree with you there. The statement that the money we are spending on the War we should be spending here on healthcare makes me uncomfortable. The implication is that tax money should somehow be subsidizing healthcare.

That said - politically - it is very effective rhetorich to mainstream America.

 

[partypooper]

He said "I'M AFRAID THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENNING".

And if you don't think there is a high probability that some of that is going on in the Huckabee camp - you are fooling yourself.

leno asked dr paul why everybody is ganging on romney - meaning huckabee but also thompson and mccain. i think it is pretty obvious that the reason is romney's position in the race. in fact, dr paul began with that explanation.

unfortunately, he then drifted into a theory for which there is no evidence whatsoever and that is that romney's religion is what motivates the attacks, basically implying that all other republican candidates are religious bigots. i don't even think that holds for huckabee - although it might hold for his voters and he might be exploiting that. but to say that it is a significant factor motivating mccain and thompson in their attacks is pretty close to preposterous.

 

[JS4Pat]

leno asked dr paul why everybody is ganging on romney - meaning huckabee but also thompson and mccain. i think it is pretty obvious that the reason is romney's position in the race. in fact, dr paul began with that explanation.

unfortunately, he then drifted into a theory for which there is no evidence whatsoever and that is that romney's religion is what motivates the attacks, basically implying that all other republican candidates are religious bigots. i don't even think that holds for huckabee - although it might hold for his voters and he might be exploiting that. but to say that it is a significant factor motivating mccain and thompson in their attacks is pretty close to preposterous.

OK - I see your point. I don't like the bigotry card unless there is real evidence of it. However, I do think the Huckabee camp is using the Mormon thing for political gain - and that bothers me.

 

[partypooper]

look man, he was not "supposed" to do anything except be the man he is and I support that....

but thanks of ryour comments Mr. Perfect.

Damn man am I the only one not understanding here what is so wrong woth sticking to ones own principles and being honest at all times?

actually, he was supposed to be consistent with his principles. accepting and legitimizing the false dilemma (posed by the host of the saturday debate) on how the government should be spending our money is inconsistent with his widely publicized political philosophy. it doesn't come across as principled - quite the opposite, it comes across as pandering to the left.

 

[Pii]

unfortunately, he then drifted into a theory for which there is no evidence whatsoever and that is that romney's religion is what motivates the attacks

It's not that Romney's religion motivates the attacks... It's Romney's popularity that motivates the attacks.

Huckabee has absolutely used Romney's religion as a wedge. He later claimed is was accidental, and that he didn't mean it. He's a liar.

To produce a negative ad, not pay to have it run, and release it to the media to say "Hey, look... See what we didn't put out there? See how kind we are?"

He's the worst kind of politcal creature.

 

[partypooper]

It's not that Romney's religion motivates the attacks... It's Romney's popularity that motivates the attacks.

well, i agree with you and that is what leno's question was. and though dr paul began with that answer he inexplicably drifted into a much more sinister and less substantiated explanation. leno politely questioned that explanation but dr paul kept saying how he was afraid that was the reason.

Huckabee has absolutely used Romney's religion as a wedge. He later claimed is was accidental, and that he didn't mean it. He's a liar.

To produce a negative ad, not pay to have it run, and release it to the media to say "Hey, look... See what we didn't put out there? See how kind we are?"

He's the worst kind of politcal creature.

huckabee is disgusting and he might be using the mormon thing to some extent, though i think that his voters pay attention to stuff like that on their own and he doesn't even need to use it much. but the question was not about him but about "why is everybody ganging on romney". dr paul basically suggested that all of them hate him because he is a mormon!