Do you expect to be free at some point in your lifetime?

[thoughtomator]

I should have posted this way back on the first page of this thread, but better late than never:

 

[PaulConventionWV]

That's an oxymoron. No market forces are required to point a gun at someone. Did the market choose Hitler?

In a way, yes. The people loved him for his power. If the market didn't choose it, then how did it come to be? We seem to view only good things as products of the market, but we never consider the popularity among people of having powerful individuals tell them how to live their lives.

Also, I don't think you know what oxymoron means.

 

[kuckfeynes]

I'm not sure you understand what market means... It's not popular opinion. A market requires buyers and sellers, it requires valuation and exchange, and that requires voluntary participation. If you're pointing a gun at someone your roles are no longer buyer and seller -- they are now master and slave. If you say that just because something exists in a certain way that a market must have chosen it, there would literally be no reason to have or use the word at all, because it would be entirely redundant.

Oxymoron: noun, a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true).

"The market chose government" is an oxymoron because one is the antithesis of the other. Government exists to prevent markets from functioning. If I sell Travlyr land and deceive him with non-standard units, but the judge is in my back pocket, he is SOL. He does not have a market to turn to in order to select a mediator that is acceptable to both of us (or our insurance agencies). There is no choice, by design. He can only be voted out every so often, to be replaced by someone susceptible to the same temptations. But, if people could put a value on the service of dispute resolution and mediation, my morally loose judge friends would probably not survive long in their field because, as with any business, reputation is everything. THAT would be a functioning market.

 

[Draco33]

We will allways be a slave to the money. So No.

 

[Seraphim]

I may be shackled, but a free man, I am. Always and forever more.

 

[phill4paul]

The exact moment before I die.

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Nope.

 

[Seraphim]

Money is a means to an end. If you desire material, money (VALUE) is required.

If you require a lot of material to satisfy you, you are not a slave to money. You a slave to yourself. You have the choice to evaporate such egotistical desires. Ergo, you are free. Always.

We will allways be a slave to the money. So No.

 

[osan]

how many freedoms are sacrificed for comfort?

All of them.

 

[pcosmar]

"Two men look out of prison bars
One sees mud, the other stars."
author unknown

I am a free man, living in an un-free land.

you can not cage my mind.