Do you believe in the pizzagate scandal?

[FunkBuddha]

Do you have a source for this claim.

 

[Athan]

Do you have a source for this claim.

Was wondering it myself. Inquire with Infowars or maybe the comments.

 

[Danke]

Was this taken down?

 

[fatjohn]

What was the claim?

 

[undergroundrr]

Okay, let's follow this. Comment from the youtube page:

More detailed Info on where document was hacked from! It looks very legit....plus this guy was following him......http://www.conspiracyoutpost.com/topic/17785-pizza-menu-hacker-sye-phan-twitter-offline/
On 11/25/2016:
"The hacker Sye phan has been taken offline! He exposed the "pizza
menu" last night and promised to release a list of 100+ member names. He
tweeted today that he would be doing it under a new account and that
"we'd know". He said they were tryin to geolocate him. Maybe he took it
offline himself? But I doubt it. His name has been removed from my
"following" list. So keep a heads up and post here if you discover any
new account he might be under now. Here are image links to the menu and his twitter page."
https://mobile.twitter.com/phan_sye/status/801648185647255553
https://imgur.com/gallery/nUfBy

More from https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1437833

stumpedatonce 3 points (+3|-0) 5 days ago
I kept challenging him to shit or get off the pot. He eventually started whining at me and told me I'd be responsible for him killing his investigation. It was all too scripted. He kept dangling carrots about releasing the 100+ usernames until he signed off early in the morning. As soon as he logged back on Friday, he started his BS dangling again and I called him a drama queen. He said something about something being a week behind (notice dates on captures he released) and that he was decrypting off line. Within a short while he disappeared. What would the chances of such a hopeful buildup of expectations only to have our victory snapped away at the last minute? Too scripted.

My concern is the VOAT thread which said that these captures were old and had shown up before. Did he edit comet's name into them? While they could have been a login for accounting or some other admin function, where those captures from comet or not?

permalink parent

No substantiation. Hit and run post. As far as anyone can tell, another fabricated figment of somebody's imagination. Those who desperately want it to be authentic will of course have another opinion.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

the videos from 2007 on youtube of people playing ping pong outside with the sound of children screaming...

Wait...what??

 

[jonhowe]

Wait...what??

Sorry, it's somewhere in this thread I think. It was someone filming the front entrance where people were playing ping pong outside. He apparently had a zoning kind of issue with them? Another video showed the Comet staff (owner? Sorry, I'm posting this in a rush)filming themselves going to the guy's apartment and harassing him.

I'm in the midst of prepping for law school finals right now, but I plan to delve deeper into all this once those are over.

 

[oyarde]

Poll says 3 percent say no.

 

[undergroundrr]

I guess my vote would be a mix of options 2 & 3 - Half truth, some persons mentioned might be pedophiles. Unconvincing, poorly backed evidence in a sea of fantasizing and disinformation. Higher up people are complicit in rape, murder of children, just not necessarily these people in this pizza parlor.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Sorry, it's somewhere in this thread I think. It was someone filming the front entrance where people were playing ping pong outside. He apparently had a zoning kind of issue with them? Another video showed the Comet staff (owner? Sorry, I'm posting this in a rush)filming themselves going to the guy's apartment and harassing him.

I'm in the midst of prepping for law school finals right now, but I plan to delve deeper into all this once those are over.

Thanks for clarifying. I've been to Comet and the ping pong area in the back is pretty eerie when there's no one there. I always had a weird vibe about the place that's all I'll say about that.

Also what are you doing you need to hit the books! Good luck!

 

[jonhowe]

Thanks for clarifying. I've been to Comet and the ping pong area in the back is pretty eerie when there's no one there. I always had a weird vibe about the place that's all I'll say about that.

Also what are you doing you need to hit the books! Good luck!

Oh, and it's in the OTHER thread, not this one. Didn't realize this was the poll thread.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Fvckers.

yep, reddit shows its true colors. They've effectively engaged in full censorship. Doubleplus bad.

 

[lilymc]

Wait...what??

Here's the video, I'm pretty sure it's the original. I honestly don't know what to think about this. Skeptics might say that someone is trolling.... but it was uploaded in 2007. TBH I'm not sure if it's possible to add a different audio track later yet still keep the original upload date. I have a youtube channel, and when I've tried editing a video through the youtube editor, it created a new video. But I don't know.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Here's the video, I'm pretty sure it's the original. I honestly don't know what to think about this. Skeptics might say that someone is trolling.... but it was uploaded in 2007. TBH I'm not sure if it's possible to add a different audio track later yet still keep the original upload date. I have a youtube channel, and when I've tried editing a video through the youtube editor, it created a new video. But I don't know.

Thanks, I'm unable to play audio now but will try later.

 

[undergroundrr]

Here's the video, I'm pretty sure it's the original. I honestly don't know what to think about this. Skeptics might say that someone is trolling.... but it was uploaded in 2007. TBH I'm not sure if it's possible to add a different audio track later yet still keep the original upload date. I have a youtube channel, and when I've tried editing a video through the youtube editor, it created a new video. But I don't know.

Look closely at 0:37. Between the passing of two dark cars (the second a convertible), there's clearly a kid being dragged along by the passerby male adult. The kid is waving his arm around in an unruly fashion. He looks just about the size and age to produce a voice like the one we're hearing. Naw, couldn't be.

Okay, if for some reason you don't think it's that kid (!?!?!?)

A. The recording is mono, so there's no way to localize the sound of the kid.
B. At 1:00, one of the ping pong players gives a "Heyyy" at the top of his lungs. He's about the same volume as the kid, more echo-y and more indistinct like you'd expect from lower frequencies.
C. You can't hear the sound of the ping pong ball at all.

I'm going to presume it's a boy just because the voice strikes me that way. From the sound of the kid, his parents are also apparently in close proximity or were a short time previously (he seems to be yelling "Dad" and "Mommy". This indicates that the kid is probably moderate distance away, maybe closer than Comet Pizza. If he is in Comet, he's right at the front door or at an open window. Those don't seem like prudent places to carry out the kind of thing the pizzagaters have dreamed up.

But that's only if you don't think it's the clearly visible kid who's doing the yelling.

 

[lilymc]

Look closely at 0:37. Between the passing of two dark cars (the second a convertible), there's clearly a kid being dragged along by the passerby male adult. The kid is waving his arm around in an unruly fashion. He looks just about the size and age to produce a voice like the one we're hearing. Naw, couldn't be.

Okay, if for some reason you don't think it's that kid (!?!?!?)

A. The recording is mono, so there's no way to localize the sound of the kid.
B. At 1:00, one of the ping pong players gives a "Heyyy" at the top of his lungs. He's about the same volume as the kid, more echo-y and more indistinct like you'd expect from lower frequencies.
C. You can't hear the sound of the ping pong ball at all.

I'm going to presume it's a boy just because the voice strikes me that way. From the sound of the kid, his parents are also apparently in close proximity or were a short time previously (he seems to be yelling "Dad" and "Mommy". This indicates that the kid is probably moderate distance away, maybe closer than Comet Pizza. If he is in Comet, he's right at the front door or at an open window. Those don't seem like prudent places to carry out the kind of thing the pizzagaters have dreamed up.

But that's only if you don't think it's the clearly visible kid who's doing the yelling.

That point was brought up in the comments section of the video, and addressed. I'm not buying it. 1) The body language of that kid does not match the voice at all. 2) The yelling can be heard long before the kid and parents walk by, and also almost 30 seconds after. So it seems to be coming from Comet. 3) There are other strange things about the video. The guy who uploaded it, Frank Winstead, made some serious allegations against Alefantis, including accusing him of encouraging rape and murder. He did that 9 years before pizzagate. Why would he make accusations like that? At the time, people called him crazy. Now his accusations are being looked at in a different light.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I believe this video is genuine or proves something. I'm just saying I don't buy your take on it.

 

[undergroundrr]

I'm not saying that I believe this video is genuine or proves something.

That's way more consideration than is the norm for discussions about this. Thanks.

As for me, who knows what's going on with that kid? The mono mic on the camera is not directional. The passersby are walking slowly enough that a cardioid mic would pick a high-pitched kids voice up for quite a distance to either side without much attenuation. In fact, it could be louder at the side than center which it's not in this case. Unfortunately, it's mono. Stereo would clinch it one way or another.

Is the kid autistic, or hyper after an ice cream cone? (that's not code BTW) You get an onscreen total of probably less than a second where the kid is actually visible. How can one even say anything about body language?

Here's an interview with one of the two ping pong players -
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/city-desk/blog/13055255/ping-pong-player-speaks-out

And here's the account of Winstead vs. Alefantis -
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2008/06/dc_official_outdoor_seats_at_p.html

The "murders and rapes" comments referred to how Winstead didn't want his neighborhood to turn into Adams Morgan (which he alludes to directly), a seedy nightlife spot in DC. Here's an article about crime in Adams Morgan from shortly before Winstead's outrage about late night street partying by college students - http://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/news_trends/is_adams_morgan_more_dangerous_than_anacostia/

If Winstead heard the screams of an unknown child coming out of Comet, wouldn't he have brought that up at some point? He had no problem during a loss of composure calling Alefantis a liar and a profiteer. Why would he hold back about nastier stuff?

Most ironically, the whole battle was about stupid zoning bullcrap. Any self-respecting RPF member should be imploring that Alefantis should be able to open his business any time he wants and do anything he wants on his property (with the usual NAP exceptions).

 

[undergroundrr]

2) The yelling can be heard long before the kid and parents walk by, and also almost 30 seconds after. So it seems to be coming from Comet.

See my comment above about the cardioid mic. Also, why wouldn't it be down the sidewalk from the mic, in a building behind the mic, or in a parked car with the windows down. It's clearly a warm night in a busy pedestrian area. I'm not saying it's not coming from Comet, but I challenge the assumption that "It seems to be coming from Comet." All of these are WAY more likely explanations than that somebody left a window or the front door open at Comet while raping a kid near the front of the establishment. The kid is as loud or louder than the "Heyyy" boisterously hollered by the ping pong player.

But the kid walking by in front of the ping pong game waving his arm while his Dad drags him along half-unwillingly is the most obvious explanation of all.

 

[UWDude]

this video is nothing, it could just be an unruly kid who is refusing to leave or something.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

See my comment above about the cardioid mic. Also, why wouldn't it be down the sidewalk from the mic, in a building behind the mic, or in a parked car with the windows down. It's clearly a warm night in a busy pedestrian area. I'm not saying it's not coming from Comet, but I challenge the assumption that "It seems to be coming from Comet." All of these are WAY more likely explanations than that somebody left a window or the front door open at Comet while raping a kid near the front of the establishment. The kid is as loud or louder than the "Heyyy" boisterously hollered by the ping pong player.

But the kid walking by in front of the ping pong game waving his arm while his Dad drags him along half-unwillingly is the most obvious explanation of all.

Check this out underground. The title is a misnomer (not directly related to pizzagate) it sounds like its from a case in the UK but all of the telltale signs are there