Do we write-in Ron Paul or bury McCain and vote for his opponent?
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If you can't write him then that's the alternative. Voting FOR the dems doesn't show up in the vote results as someone who is fed up with the GOP, it shows up as an Obama/Hillary supporter and no more. They need to SEE the numbers of those who don't back their platform but aren't Democrats.
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Clinton, McCain and Obama all represent the same people. A vote for Obama or Clinton IS a vote for McCain. Of course, a CP or LP vote would be good though.
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My opinion only...
If Hillary is in the race, write in Ron Paul.
If Obama is in the race, vote Obama.
If Hillary is in the race, write in Ron Paul.
If Obama is in the race, vote Obama.
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Hillary == Obama for almost everything, except maybe oratory. Care to explain?
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I'm curious too. If I were to consider voting Dem, it would be an anti-McCain vote and looking at the two Dems, I think Clinton could at least have the experience to give us a reasonable "holding pattern" (economically and hopefully with the war) while we get more people into Congress and seek out new RP candidates.
I know people hate her, but she brings Bill's experience to the White House as well and while I'm no fan of Bill, we weren't nearly as bad off with him around. He's relatively moderate on most issues, as is Hillary. I figure that we can somehow block her plans for socializing medicine.
(And yes, I'm well aware that Bill isn't running for office.)
If it's Obama vs. McCain. Holy crap. I don't know. McCain kills millions of people with wars, Obama destroys the economy and tries to continue the war, all the while thinking "I want my mommy! What have I gotten myself into?"
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You've got something of a point there. And if the CIA gets an attitude toward him like they got toward JFK and shoot him, imagine the riots! But on the other hand, I can't help but feel he's somewhat less in their pockets than Clinton.
Besides, the thought of the history books recording Bush Clinton Bush Clinton just makes me think the oligarchy has taken over.
I'm pretty much believing that === too.
In any case, I'm voting my conscience. No lesser of evils. Someone needs to build up the "other" percentage toward critical mass. Maybe if we exceed 20% a bunch will join us next round...
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Why would you ever vote Obama over the LP or CP candidate? That doesn't make any sense at all. It's like you're "just flirting" with being a neocon or something.
Seriously, Obama is one of them despite how the MSM tries to sell him to people who are eager to listen. Stop looking at the hype and look at the substance, the policies, the agenda, the issues.
Hillary == Obama == McCain.
There're no substantive differences.
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Of course you can't! It's by design. The image has been carefully crafted and engineered so that people will feel just that way.
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There is absolutely no way I would ever vote for Obama, and I honestly do not see why people seem to think he is any better then McCain or Clinton. Because he spoke out against the Patriot Act? Yea, right before he voted to re-authorize it. Because he spoke out against the Iraq War? Yea, right before saying he would invade Pakistan and not even leave Iraq anyways.
Because he wraps up his message in that of "hope?" No doubt he does, but what is his message? Its that we need to turn to the government to solve our problems and cannot solve them ourselves. That is not a message of hope, despite its shiny wrappings.
I think Obama is the worst possible candidate of the three, because he is charismatic and draws people into what he is saying - even people here, it seems. He would do the most to set back any progress, because he, unlike the other two, would be able to get away with it.
Because he wraps up his message in that of "hope?" No doubt he does, but what is his message? Its that we need to turn to the government to solve our problems and cannot solve them ourselves. That is not a message of hope, despite its shiny wrappings.
I think Obama is the worst possible candidate of the three, because he is charismatic and draws people into what he is saying - even people here, it seems. He would do the most to set back any progress, because he, unlike the other two, would be able to get away with it.
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The conundrum I find myself in is that voting for Ron Paul as a write-in is a vote that keeps my conscience from rearing-up and giving me nightmares. But voting against McCain and the wars is equally as important to my poor, confused conscience.
And my write-in only serves a philosophical good, whereas a vote for the opposition, while repugnant, may actually have some effect in keeping a warmongering madman out of the White House.
See the dilemma? If the economy collapses, that's one thing. But if McCain gets in and sends more people to die, I feel that I'll have blood on my hands if I didn't do everything I could to keep him out.
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That isn't it. I saw through Reagan's teflon at a young age, and Bill Clinton's charisma didn't fool me for a minute. I guess if he gets shot we'll know he was going maverick, and if he doesn't it was just my imagination.
In any case, I do not trust him. Even if he's not in it for the machine, he's not in it for me, either...
I'm voting my conscience. The only way we're going to break this "lesser of evils" spell is to up the numbers to that magical critical mass point where people will say, hey, I could've helped. I threw my vote away when I could have helped!
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I you believe that Hillary or Barack oppose the current path of unending war, think again - then listen to all of the times they've said outright that they won't be pulling troops out, and that they have their sights set on Iran and Pakistan respectively for the next target. Also pay attention to the Democratic debate last summer where Hillary talks about her willingness to explore a nuclear strike option against Iran.
Any of those three winning will put blood on the hands of any who voted for them.
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