Do We Need To Bring Back Tariffs On Imports?

Do We Need To Bring Back Tariffs On Imported Goods?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 39.3%
  • No

    Votes: 35 57.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .
China doesnt need to import anything. They produce everything. And they dont need to export anything. They can consume their products themselves,

My god......are there any non chineese left on the forums?'

PS the chineese do a quality job feeding their people the nastiest shit I have ever seen.....like shark brain soup
dogs.....
scorpions....
sea horses
silk worms
goat lungs

you want to know what the chineese will feed you

http://www.treeworld.info/manualuploads/beijingfastfood.pdf

Bon appeteite........
 
Since you are mentally challenged.....free trade is when 2 countries trade with each other with zero tariffs and the market decides what product is better.....

When one side has to pay a 25% tarriff and the other side pays 0% it is NOT free trade

This was edited in so I going to respond.

When did I say it was free trade? We have a free trade policy and they don't, so obviously trade between the countries is not free. Why should we give up our policy of free trade in favor their policy of managed trade? We should lead the way with a 0% tariff policy which shows we favor free trade. It's up to other countries to improve their policy. We should never go in the direction of protectionism which favors special interest and Big government. China has been protectionist for centuries, it has really served them well.:rolleyes:
 
My god......are there any non chineese left on the forums?'

PS the chineese do a quality job feeding their people the nastiest shit I have ever seen.....like shark brain soup
dogs.....
scorpions....
sea horses
silk worms
goat lungs

you want to know what the chineese will feed you

http://www.treeworld.info/manualuploads/beijingfastfood.pdf

Bon appeteite........

As if the CHinese had a head start after decades of communist rule. You need to put things into perspective. Anyway, let the ad hominems abound, buttalokid777.... woah woah woah! i'm a leftist now? lol
 
As if the CHinese had a head start after decades of communist rule. You need to put things into perspective. Anyway, let the ad hominems abound, buttalokid777.... woah woah woah! i'm a leftist now? lol

It's quite ironic how we are the beijiing boys, yet he is the one proposing our policy be more like the Chinese, which hasn't quite worked for them in the past.
 
This was edited in so I going to respond.

When did I say it was free trade? We have a free trade policy and they don't, so obviously trade between the countries is not free. Why should we give up our policy of free trade in favor their policy of managed trade? We should lead the way with a 0% tariff policy which shows we favor free trade. It's up to other countries to improve their policy. We should never go in the direction of protectionism which favors special interest and Big government. China has been protectionist for centuries, it has really served them well.:rolleyes:

No we should impose our equal tarrif to them as they have done to us.....

when they remove their tarriff, we remove ours,,,,,,,

once that happens the market can decide whose product is best,,,,,
 
No we should impose our equal tarrif to them as they have done to us.....

when they remove their tarriff, we remove ours,,,,,,,

once that happens the market can decide whose product is best,,,,,

Ok, you propose we let the Chinese lead and the US follow, and I'm the Bejing Boi [sic]?

Please respond to this

With a 0%/25% tariff ratio, the benefactors are the American car buying consumer, the Chinese auto industry, and Chinese Big Government. The losers are the Chinese car buying consumer, the American auto industry, and US Big Gov't.

With your proposed 25%/25% trade ratio, the winners are the Chinese and American auto industries and Big governments and the losers are the Chinese and American car buying consumers.

I've established that the Chinese car buying consumer is going to lose and the Chinese Big Government is going to win. Why should the American car buying consumer suffer in favor of the American auto industry and Big government?
 
Ok, you propose we let the Chinese lead and the US follow, and I'm the Bejing Boi [sic]?

Please respond to this

With a 0%/25% tariff ratio, the benefactors are the American car buying consumer, the Chinese auto industry, and Chinese Big Government. The losers are the Chinese car buying consumer, the American auto industry, and US Big Gov't.

With your proposed 25%/25% trade ratio, the winners are the Chinese and American auto industries and Big governments and the losers are the Chinese and American car buying consumers.

I've established that the Chinese car buying consumer is going to lose and the Chinese Big Government is going to win. Why should the American car buying consumer suffer in favor of the American auto industry and Big government?


Great Job,,,,,enjoy the politburo
 
Care to answer my question instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments?

buttalokid777 reminds me of the kid in elementary school who was never loved... that's mean

EDIT: no1butpaul, let's just ignore buttalokid777. hey, how do i ignore posts by certain obama supporters (i.e. kade, buttalokid777)? is it in the settings menu
 
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If the chinese want to buy american cars, they have to pay 25% more than we do. Thus they suffer.

However, no one wants american cars. It is we that are dumping cheap crap on people.
 
If the chinese want to buy american cars, they have to pay 25% more than we do. Thus they suffer.

However, no one wants american cars. It is we that are dumping cheap crap on people.

Exactly, why subsidize a proven poor industry?
 
Exactly, why subsidize a proven poor industry?

'Cause its American companies damnit!! Think about those poor American Union workers! If those companies go under they might have to get a job that will cause them to do actual work without the cushiness of their unions!!! Think of the Americans!!!
 
No, tarrifs along will all government intervention in the market should be completely eliminated.
 
'Cause its American companies damnit!! Think about those poor American Union workers! If those companies go under they might have to get a job that will cause them to do actual work without the cushiness of their unions!!! Think of the Americans!!!


Well see.... When we prop up Americans, we're really propping up freedom and democracy!

Would you rather kill those of a different culture via starvation or gun barrel?


Starvation is especially cool because MSM will declare their deaths the fault of the "free" market.
 
So far I've seen no mention of the fact companies in the United States have to pay extra to build things here because of the Environmental Protection Administration making them buy various equipment to keep from polluting the environment. China does not have this problem nor do many countries we do business with.

Shouldn't we charge the difference at the border to make things equal?

If we can't compete because the government makes our companies pay extra to do business here, how do we expect our companies not to close and go where they are not required to pay that extra money?
 
Here is a good example as to why Tariffs do not and will not in the long term help us or protect us...maybe this will clear up the argument.

"An american manufacturer of woolen sweaters goes to Congress or to the State Dept and tells the committee or officials concerned that it would be a national disaster for them to remove or reduce the tariff on British sweaters. He now sells his sweaters for $15 each, but English manufacturers could sell here sweaters of the same quality for $10. A duty of $5, therefore, is needed to keep him in business. He is not thinking of himself, of course, but of the thousand men and women he employs, and of the people to whom their spending in turn gives employment. Throw them out of work, and you create unemployment and a fall in pirchasing power, which would spread in ever-widening circles. And if he can prove that he really would be forced out of business if the tariff were removed or reduced, his argument against that action is regarded by Congress as conclusive.

But the fallacy comes from looking merely at this manufacturer and his employees, or merely at the American sweater industry. It comes from noticing only the results that are immediately seen, and neglecting the results that are not seen because they are prevented from coming into existence.

The lobbyists for tariff protection are continually putting forward arguments that are not factually correct. But let us assume that the facts in this case are precisely as the sweater manufacturer has stated them. Let us assume that a tariff of $5 a sweater is necessary for him to stay in business and provide employment at sweater making for his workers.

We have deliberately chosen the most unfavorable example of any for the removal of a tariff. We have not aken an argument for the imposition of a new tariff in order to bring a new industry into existence, but an argument for the retention of a tariff [that has already brought and industry into existece], and cannot be repealed without hurting somebody.

The tariff is repealed; the manufacturer goes out of business; a thousand workers are laid off; the particular tradesmen whom they patronized are hurt. This is the immediate result that is seen. But there are also results which, while much more difficult to trace, are no less immediate and no less real. For now sweaters that formally cost $15 a piece can be bought for $10. Consumers can now buy the same quality of sweater for less money, or a much better one for the same money. If they buy the same quality of sweater, they not only ge the sweater, but they have $5 left over, which they would not have had under the previous conditions, to buy something else. With the $10 that they pay for the imported sweater they help employment-as the American manufacturer no doubt predicted-in the sweater industry in England. With the $5 left over they help employment in any number of other industries in the United States.

But the results do not end there. By buying English sweaters they furnish the English with dollars to buy American goods here. This, in fact (if I may here disregard such complications as multilateral exchange, loans, credits, gold movements, etc. which do not alter the end result) is the only way in which the British can eventually make use of these dollars. Because we have permitted the British to sell more to us, they are no able to buy more from us. They are, in fact, eventually forced to buy more from us if their dollar balances are not to remain perpetually unused. So, as a result of letting in more British goods, we must export more American goods. And though fewer people are now employed in the American sweater industry, more people are employed, and much more efficiently employed-in, say, the American automovile or washing machine business. American employment on net balance has not gone down, but American and British production on net balance has gone up. Labor in each country is more fully employed in doing just those things that it does best, instead of being forced to do things that it does inefficiently or badly. Consumers in both countries are better off. They are able to buy what they want where they can get it cheapest. American consumers are better provided with sweaters, and British consumers are better provided with motor cars and washing machines"-Henry Hazlitt


Sorry for the long post and for any mispellings.:o
 
ITT buffalokid shows his true colors as a protectionist, and a guy who favors big businesses over individuals (with punitive tariffs being a way of privatizing gains but socializing losses, as the company in bed with the government gets to keep the extra money, while the consumer/taxpayer is stuck paying the bill).
 
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