Gary Johnson Disturbing Video of Gary Johnson's Views on Iraq

[johnrocks]

Agree to disagree and all that, yeah I get it. But my opinion is that its not ok to spend our time trying to convince GJ supporters to back Ron when we should all be working together to get independents and republicans behind Rons campaign. Which would be happening already had GJ not entered the presidential picture and focused on a senate race.

That is what I heard from McCain supporters after he won the nomination, by that logic it seems that we should have voted for McCain instead of sticking to our convictions and voting third party, not voting, writing in Ron Paul or in my case ,being able to vote for the Ron Paul/Barry Goldwater Jr. ticket here in Louisiana.

If Ron Paul is who we are convinced he is, I should be able to "sell" people to vote FOR him instead of tearing down someone who basically shares our ideology, I have yet to see him criticize us or Ron Paul.

 

[sailingaway]

That is what I heard from McCain supporters after he won the nomination, by that logic it seems that we should have voted for McCain instead of sticking to our convictions and voting third party, not voting, writing in Ron Paul or in my case ,being able to vote for the Ron Paul/Barry Goldwater Jr. ticket here in Louisiana.

If Ron Paul is who we are convinced he is, I should be able to "sell" people to vote FOR him instead of tearing down someone who basically shares our ideology, I have yet to see him criticize us or Ron Paul.

But that is backwards because none of us are going onto garyjohnsonforums.com to get supporters. They are coming here, to take Ron's supporters, on a board set up by supporters specifically to showcase Ron.

 

[belian78]

I fully expect this question to be asked. "Gov. Johnson, you and congressmen Paul are from the libertarian wing of the party, why should people vote for you over Congressman Paul?"

To be immediately followed by.. "And then the exact same question to you, congressman Paul, why should people vote for you over Gov Johnson?"

And why this is going on the rest of the candidates laugh their asses off because the heat is off them.

 

[johnrocks]

The reason for GJ's hesitation and terrible answer? He was thinking like a politician: "How do I answer this question without looking as kooky as Ron Paul, but also not offending his supporters, because I need them to vote for me in the coming years."

You will see. When push comes to shove, he'll line up with the status quo, just as Reason and Cato do, when it comes to central banking, and true non-interventionism. You're seeing snippets of it now. I called this many months ago.

Sure he was thinking like a politician;just like Rand Paul did; we may hate the game but that is what it takes to win, not throwing snowballs at Hannity or booing others, there are people who are actually undecided out there and that type crap turns a 35 year fan of Ron Paul off, imagine how undecided may look at that.

 

[sailingaway]

Sure he was thinking like a politician;just like Rand Paul did; we may hate the game but that is what it takes to win, not throwing snowballs at Hannity or booing others, there are people who are actually undecided out there and that type crap turns a 35 year fan of Ron Paul off, imagine how undecided may look at that.

But what is so attractive about GJ to offset this? There were times during the campaign with Rand when I just grit my teeth, remembered him in 2007. looked back at his old college record and held tight to that, and kept saying to myself 'Ron brought this guy up, have faith'. But he wasn't running against Ron.

 

[johnrocks]

But that is backwards because none of us are going onto garyjohnsonforums.com to get supporters. They are coming here, to take Ron's supporters, on a board set up by supporters specifically to showcase Ron.

And Ron Paul supporters didn't flood forums in 07-08;hell; I remember all too well that many did just that. Sell the undecided on the world wide web and out in the "real world", don't worry about Gary Johnson's supporters who many are just like us politically but ;for one reason or another; supports Johnson.

 

[johnrocks]

But what is so attractive about GJ to offset this? There were times during the campaign with Rand when I just grit my teeth, remembered him in 2007. looked back at his old college record and held tight to that, and kept saying to myself 'Ron brought this guy up, have faith'. But he wasn't running against Ron.

That's exactly how I looked at Rand and ;to a large degree ;how I look at Johnson, he's not our enemy, it's good to see more joining the movement, will he hurt us; in some areas and with some voters,maybe so but with many others; we'll hurt him and his chances but ;at the same time; the social/neo vote will be split among several candidates too.

 

[AGRP]

That's exactly how I looked at Rand and ;to a large degree ;how I look at Johnson, he's not our enemy, it's good to see more joining the movement, will he hurt us; in some areas and with some voters,maybe so but with many others; we'll hurt him and his chances but ;at the same time; the social/neo vote will be split among several candidates too.

Why don't we support Sarah Palin? She's great for our movement.

 

[iamse7en]

Source? CATO is every bit as noninterventionist, pro-free markets, and pro-sound money as Ron Paul is.
I can't recall his name, but there was a CATO fellow who was invited to contribute to a fascinating panel debating foreign policy at CPAC in the main ballroom (where thousands of people are). He took a principled stand and argued very convincingly that there's nothing conservative about our policy in the middle east and around the world.

Just search LRC for examples. Here are a couple. They may make a few good statements here and there, but they always pander back to the banking and military cartels.

 

[sailingaway]

And Ron Paul supporters didn't flood forums in 07-08;hell; I remember all too well that many did just that. Sell the undecided on the world wide web and out in the "real world", don't worry about Gary Johnson's supporters who many are just like us politically but ;for one reason or another; supports Johnson.

Yeah, and I wasn't here. Is that why we are so unpopular now? Do GJ's supporters think he is doing him any favor going forward? People here know who Gary is.

 

[sailingaway]

That's exactly how I looked at Rand and ;to a large degree ;how I look at Johnson, he's not our enemy, it's good to see more joining the movement, will he hurt us; in some areas and with some voters,maybe so but with many others; we'll hurt him and his chances but ;at the same time; the social/neo vote will be split among several candidates too.

Except you are ignoring the 'Rand wasn't running against Ron' part.

 

[johnrocks]

Why don't we support Sarah Palin? She's great for our movement.

I'm not supporting Gary Johnson but ;at the same time; look at Sarah Palins
's record and Gary Johnson's record, look at Palins views on foreign policy over a two year period and Gary Johnson's views over the same period.

She may line up in a lot of areas but not nearly as close as Johnson;hell; IIRC, Johnson signed legislation legalizing Peyote on Indian Reservations and supports legalization of marijuana; can we say the same for Palin , he supports a much more non interventionist foreign policy;can we say the same for Palin?

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Gary Johnson being called the new Ron Paul by Hannity

Sean Hannity: "Please, please Paulites: support this guy and not Ron Paul. He's certified as 'one of you' by Salon, the Huffington Post, Politico and me."

 

[Joseph]

I think a lot of people here are being to hard on Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson is not as well known as Ron and when this interview happened he had not even made a formal announcement of candidacy. Gary Johnson does not want to have too many enemies or too much criticism before he even gets started. I felt he answered an unfair question very well, could he have answered better sure, but he never said he disagreed with Ron on blowback he just said that he does not agree on everything. The slime-ball Hannity gave an unfair question which assumed that if you agree it meant you think that we caused or perpetrated the attacks on us. Johnson gave a diplomatic answer and that is certainly not as bad as some of you are making it out to be.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Watch out now, I said the same exact thing the other day and was called ignorant and closed minded by two more frequent posters here.

GJ is going to be used to split Rons support network, bet on it, you already see it happening.

It's dishonest to say I ever called you ignorant or close minded. In fact, I never called you out but you did call me out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...hnson-vs-Ron-Paul-thing&p=3229177#post3229177

I'm done with this bickering. You guys think Gary johnson is shit and no better than "Sarah Palin." Fine. Same people who bitch about Gitmo have to then renounce their support of Rand Paul since he has the same view.

 

[johnrocks]

Except you are ignoring the 'Rand wasn't running against Ron' part.

I'm not ignoring that, I caught hell because I refused to vote for McCain on various forums as well as in the "real world", now it seems that the same type logic is being used here.

I'm for freedom, Gary has as much right to run as RP, voters have a right to choose and ;me personally; I'm gonna try and convince people to vote for RP based on issues;not by tearing down Gary Johnson.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I'm not ignoring that, I caught hell because I refused to vote for McCain on various forums as well as in the "real world", now it seems that the same type logic is being used here.

I'm for freedom, Gary has as much right to run as RP, voters have a right to choose and ;me personally; I'm gonna try and convince people to vote for RP based on issues;not by tearing down Gary Johnson.

Too much logic in this post.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Ron Paul is the only politician who has ever attained any level of trust from me. I don't expect that to change anytime soon. GJ is uninspiring at best, imo.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not ignoring that, I caught hell because I refused to vote for McCain on various forums as well as in the "real world", now it seems that the same type logic is being used here.

I'm for freedom, Gary has as much right to run as RP, voters have a right to choose and ;me personally; I'm gonna try and convince people to vote for RP based on issues;not by tearing down Gary Johnson.

That's fine, and Gary does have a right to run. I just don't like his supporters coming here and pretending he is 'just like Ron but better' to Ron's supporters and expecting support.

 

[sailingaway]

snowballs again? sheesh.... it was clearly a traumatic experience....

no he doesnt say he's more libertarian than Republican, what sort of toolish question is that, Hannity?

The new world order bit isn't a winning line, Ron... that is the third time this campaign he's flashed it and I know what he means but it means different things to different people. And it will sound off to some people.