Diebold electronic voting Machine counters to be used in the Iowa straw poll?

[AZJV]

For an eye opening look at electronic voting fraud you must watch this HBO documentary.

"Hacking Democracy"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=67&start=0&num=30&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

This is PROOF POSITIVE that voting machines are being used to steal elections.
You won't ever feel comfortable about the voting process again.

Folks, we don not live in a free democracy. We must take our country back.

Go RON Paul Go!!! God Bless you

 

[buffalokid777]

I say that if these machines are used at the poll, people should just take baseball bats to them. Then they'll have to use paper ballots. Problem solved...

This idea is a bit extreme...but if anyone actually considers doing it.

Make sure to wear you're Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson for president 2008 shirt when you do it

Joking

 

[BrazilLuLa]

Disgusting!

There is no way that we are still using DIEBOLD machines in 2008. It simply can not be true.

Somebody needs to take a stand, and NOW!

 

[Roxi]

I certaily agree they need to be banished but I still would like to know who cofirmed this information as to Diebold was going to be used and they were counting the votes in private.

This is the email i got from HQ:

Dear Friend and Supporter of Dr. Ron Paul,

I would like to thank everyone for their interest and support of our Iowa campaign.
Some of our volunteer supporters have expressed concern about ensuring the accuracy of the vote count at the upcoming Ames Straw Poll on August 11th.
This is an issue we are taking seriously, both in Iowa, as well as other states around the country. We are currently communicating with the Republican Party of Iowa, the sponsor of the Straw Poll, to ensure that we are informed as to how the vote will be conducted.

*In their own words,* this is what they say the process will be:

"Iowa Straw Poll
August 11, 2007

*Voting Process*

When a voter enters a credentialing area they will be asked to show a valid Iowa Driver's License, Military ID or student ID from an Iowa College or University. ID's will be scanned in order to prevent someone from voting with that same ID at another voting location. Those attendees with Military ID, student ID, or those who's driver's license does not scan will be required to re-register to vote before receiving their ballot.

After the credentialing, the voter will receive one ballot, and their thumb will be dipped in indelible ink to prevent someone from voting again at another location.

They will then take their ballot and vote for no more than one candidate.

After blackening the oval next to their preferred candidate, they will then feed the ballot into a Diebold Optical Scan Machine.

Volunteers from the Story County Auditor's office and other Auditor offices from around the state will be staffing these machines.

The State and Story County Auditor along with their staff will handle moving the ballots, and vote counters from the voting locations to the tabulation room.

During tabulation each campaign will be allowed two representatives to be present in the tabulation room.

The State Auditor will report the results on the stage inside of Hilton Coliseum at or around 7 p.m. CST.

Following the Straw Poll there will be an audit of the election results.

*Credentialing and Voting Rules*

Balloting begins when doors open at 10:00 am and continues until 6:00 pm when the voting areas are shut down. Votes will be tallied by the State Auditor's Office and results will be announced by emcee.

The poll will be conducted on a one vote per person basis.

Participants of the straw poll shall be Iowa residents who will be 18 years of age on or before November 4, 2008. Only participants who present photo identification of the following type will be allowed to vote: valid Iowa Driver's License, Military ID or student ID from an Iowa College/University. ID's will be checked at voting areas. Those attendees with Military ID or student ID will be required to re-register to vote before receiving their ballot.

All result information obtained from the straw poll will be made available to the media and to the campaign committees.

Voting machines will be used. The voting machines will be provided by the Story County Auditor. Voting machines will be positioned on the concourse level of Hilton Coliseum, Scheman Building, and CY Stephens auditorium.

Each campaign is responsible for providing 2 representatives to be present for tallying votes.

Campaigns must provide names of representatives by July 31, 2007.

The State Auditor's Office will oversee the voting/tallying process.

Candidates will be listed on the voting ballot in randomized order according to last name.

The Republican State Central Committee will determine the minimum requirements for invitation to the Straw Poll.

A voting demonstration will take place on Friday, August 10th at 3:00 p.m. The site will be determined the week of the event."

Working to ensure that the vote count is accurate, will be an ongoing process for both the Iowa Campaign and the National Campaign, from now through the election itself.

Thank you for your work for Dr. Paul.

Joe Seehusen
Iowa State Coordinator
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee

 

[PatriotOne]

This is the email i got from HQ:

Thanks Roxic. Does anyone more familiar with the process see a problem since there will be representatives from the campaigns to be able to watch the process and paper ballots for double checking?

Am I missing something significant? Seems the campaign will need eyes on every machine available to make sure there is no funny business at the individual machines or ballots "misplaced".

I understand that Diebold need to be banned all together but do the extra precautions help at all for the Iowa Straw poll?

 

[wecandoit]

doomed

 

[wecandoit]

represenatives will not be able to crawl into those machines and see if they have been programmed to flip votes. It won't matter if we have 100 representatives there, it's how the machine is programmed, and from what I've understood about it, that is propreitary information that no one is allowed to see without breaking the law.

crap

 

[LibertyOfOne]

If it's optical scan then that means that the ballots can be recounted by hand if need be.

 

[wecandoit]

If it's optical scan then that means that the ballots can be recounted by hand if need be.

after a deep breath, that does seem logical that whatever is being scanned can also be counted, unlike a touch screen.

Next question, who decides if and when they get counted by hand?

I think we need to push to get these diebolds out of there, and if that fails, push like crazy for them to count everything that is scanned just like it was going to be the only record of a paper ballot and don't wait until after a computer tally is announced
that we don't trust.

 

[kimosabi]

If it's optical scan then that means that the ballots can be recounted by hand if need be.

They should be counted by hand afterwards anyway.

No-one and nothing leaves until the ballots are counted by hand and everything is video taped...

 

[GreyBlood]

couldn't of they of used these machines to have Paul lose at re-election for his district? Does that district use machines?

 

[kimosabi]

Ok, I've become ultra paranoid about all this stuff, but the paper and pens should also be analyzed.

It is quite possible they could doctor the votes using special ink and paper that gets manipulated by the light of the scanner.

You might think I'm crazy, but after all the other stuff I've found out, nothing is impossible.

 

[Lord Xar]

I hate to be a downer, but this is really REALLY NOT GOOD if they are using those Diebold machines. I am thinking this is it... It DOES NOT MATTER if you have armed security there... the "hack" is on the memory cards.. not the machine themselves.. so, when they remove the memory cards - you can't put "guards" INSIDE THE ALREADY compromised memory cards.

BTW, let me retract.... There are SERIOUS vulnerabilities IN the software itself and someone would ONLY need about 30 seconds or less alone or in cahoots with someone to modify things.

I am DEEPLY troubled by this. IF RON PAUL and/or his staff DO NOT RAISE A STINK now about this, its certainly curtains... If people wait too long to voice opposition, they will say "we didn't have enough time to install an alternative"

 

[buffalokid777]

Since people have to fill out an optical scan card, every person who fills out an optical scan card should have to place it in a ballot box after it has been scanned. That way there will be a paper trail in addition to the electronic results.

This could nix false results by the voting machines by having a paper trail.

 

[Oregon 4 RP]

What happens to the paper Ballots?

Regarding e-mail on voting with machines in Iowa straw vote:

"After blackening the oval next to their preferred candidate, they will then feed the ballot into a Diebold Optical Scan Machine.

Volunteers from the Story County Auditor's office and other Auditor offices from around the state will be staffing these machines."


Big deal! It's what is happening within the machine that counts.


"The State and Story County Auditor along with their staff will handle moving the ballots, and vote counters from the voting locations to the tabulation room."


And exactly what happens to those paper ballots? Is it possible for the Ron Paul campaign and a group of volunteers to have access to those ballots along with an "official" to monitor a hand count. Perhaps volunteers from other campaigns might want to be included also, but I doubt it because their votes are counted "in the black box" Can the campaign insist on seeing those marked paper ballots? Why not? Does someone have something to hide?


"During tabulation each campaign will be allowed two representatives to be present in the tabulation room."

Again.... Big deal. It is WHAT is being spit out of that box that matters.
How can they guarantee that the numbers coming out actually represent the filled in ovals? There's the rub.


"The State Auditor will report the results on the stage inside of Hilton Coliseum at or around 7 p.m. CST."

Oh...the State Auditor...now that's impressive


"Following the Straw Poll there will be an audit of he election results."

By whom? Will the paper ballots be matched with the output of the black box?
If so, why not just count the paper ballots by hand in the first place?


All those calls to Iowa Republicans are so much wasted effort, time and energy if the straw vote is to be counted within the black box. What a shame.

It is absolutely essential that the campaign design some way of assuring an honest vote count. Dishonest vote counting will plague the campaign throughout.

Face it now, do it now.....Cut the legs off this dishonest voting scam using black boxes.....Insist on a monitored hand count of the paper ballots that have been marked and fed into the inscrutable machine.

 

[Oregon 4 RP]

An absolute MUST

Since people have to fill out an optical scan card, every person who fills out an optical scan card should have to place it in a ballot box after it has been scanned. That way there will be a paper trail in addition to the electronic results.

This could nix false results by the voting machines by having a paper trail.

The Ron Paul campaign must insist on this......

 

[buffalokid777]

The Ron Paul campaign must insist on this......

I agree 1000%...that way an audit can tell if the machines lied...they can't let the optical scan cards be discarded....they need to be saved for an audit so we have TRUE results that are not manipulated....

If you have to fill out an optical scan card...those cards should be saved in case an audit is needed!

 

[AlexAmore]

I would donate money to a mixed political group to recount any paper trail left behind (if any exists).

Honestly, the idea of having a machine count votes to save time is so stupid when you think of what is ultimately on the line (The entire world's welfare, considering America's power).

 

[batman00]

What the hell are we waiting for?

 

[batman00]

The Ron Paul campaign must insist on this......

Well what the hell are we waiting for then? Let's inform the campaign or something. We have less that a month, so lets go lets go!!!