Did you fall for it AGAIN?

[Up Front]

Furthermore, I have seen the election fraud up close. my friend ran against McCain in I think 96. The elections are complete fraud. The elections are there to give you the illusion that you have a choice. YOU DON"T

 

[familydog]

If Ron Paul is the only candidate you think would make a good president at this time, I don't see the harm of writing him in. We'll make a bigger statement by getting people like BJ Lawson in Congress than getting the LP or CP 2% of the vote.

 

[CasualApathy]

Barr is ex-CIA?

 

[powerofreason]

Furthermore, I have seen the election fraud up close. my friend ran against McCain in I think 96. The elections are complete fraud. The elections are there to give you the illusion that you have a choice. YOU DON"T

sigh...

 

[Kludge]

Sorry but this election cycle with Obama in the picture there is 0 chance.

Thruth hurts...lets move on. If they can keep Ron Paul out with millions and milllions of supporters chuck Baldwin and Barr are like a couple of fleas

The goal of voting isn't to feel good about yourself. It's to force others to recognize that you are a political force and to eventually get a libertarian elected.

Getting 5% as a party would also make us the first third party (ever?) to ever be allowed the special campaign financing rules, which will make winning future elections more feasible.

You talk of reality, but then why are you bothering to vote for Dr. Paul, who isn't even registered as a write-in candidate?


Votes have meaning, and your arrogant ignorance is very disappointing.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

The goal of voting isn't to feel good about yourself. It's to force others to recognize that you are a political force and to eventually get a libertarian elected.

Getting 5% as a party would also make us the first third party (ever?) to ever be allowed the special campaign financing rules, which will make winning future elections more feasible.

You talk of reality, but then why are you bothering to vote for Dr. Paul, who isn't even registered as a write-in candidate?


Votes have meaning, and your arrogant ignorance is very disappointing.

Not to mention Ron himself has said he hopes both Barr and Baldwin get plenty of votes. Even with a general, ringing endorsement, upfront, you refuse? You want to vote for Ron, yet can't trust him when he basically tells you to vote for one of those two?

If there wasn't a freedom candidate running I'd write in Ron. However, there are two (and one who I am partial to) that are very close to Ron's principles and he has openly stated they are good candidates.

 

[Alex Libman]

Cult of Personality -vs- Reality

 

[CasualApathy]

If there wasn't a freedom candidate running I'd write in Ron. However, there are two (and one who I am partial to) that are very close to Ron's principles and he has openly stated they are good candidates.

Correction, one is very close to Ron's principles, and one is very close to Ron's rethoric. There is a difference.

 

[Kludge]

Correction, one is very close to Ron's principles, and one is very close to Ron's rethoric. There is a difference.

Ooh, which empty argument will be pulled out?

Will it be "Baldwin is a protectionist theocrat!" or "Barr is a oppurtunistic ex-CIA Neocon!"?

I'm literally sitting on the edge of my seat to hear one of those again!

 

[Up Front]

You don't get it. I DON"T CARE whether he is registered as a write in or not and neither should you. I can write in anyone I want. It's my ballot.

I'm telling you if the people write in Ron Paul it will cause chaos throughout the states. They will not be able to stop the peoples voice if you demand it. If you want to be a pussy and vote the way the elites tell you then vote third party and pretend you did something.

 

[CasualApathy]

Ooh, which empty argument will be pulled out?

Will it be "Baldwin is a protectionist theocrat!" or "Barr is a oppurtunistic ex-CIA Neocon!"?

I'm literally sitting on the edge of my seat to hear one of those again!

Not at all, I'm simply pointing out that your principles are defined by your actions, and not your rethoric. It is a simple matter of defining the meaning of the words.

 

[powerofreason]

You don't get it. I DON"T CARE whether he is registered as a write in or not and neither should you. I can write in anyone I want. It's my ballot.

I'm telling you if the people write in Ron Paul it will cause chaos throughout the states. They will not be able to stop the peoples voice if you demand it. If you want to be a pussy and vote the way the elites tell you then vote third party and pretend you did something.

Yes, there will be chaos when a few people vote in RP... k

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Not at all, I'm simply pointing out that your principles are defined by your actions, and not your rethoric. It is a simple matter of defining the meaning of the words.

Yea, and Bob has come out, apologized, and admitted he was wrong. Baldwin never has and I can and will quote articles (including recent ones and videos) where he's bashed and pushed his fundamentalist ideas and praised Falwell, as well as comments where he supported military intervention in Iraq (he just wanted an official vote, very similar to Barr at the time and he's admitted that was a mistake 1000 times over ). Baldwin never repudiated his statements, apologized, or defended them, so I have to assume he stands where he's always stood.

I'm willing to embrace someone that has come to terms, admitted, and converted as opposed to someone who's got his faith so far up his butt it clouds his judgment. Please, let's not go here again. Based on all of the things Baldwin has said in the past I'm sure he would have voted like a John McCain in the congress. He was in that camp for a while and he still lingers in the campsite. Again, if you can provide information or evidence where he has shown he changed his position or repudiated some of his absurd statements I'd acknowledge it.

Until then, Bob has tried to make amends and Baldwin hasn't. Until he does, I am convinced he stands where he stood years ago.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Yes, there will be chaos when a few people vote in RP... k

They didn't even pay attention when we voted for him when he was on the ballot

They'll really notice the write ins

 

[Kludge]

You don't get it. I DON"T CARE whether he is registered as a write in or not and neither should you. I can write in anyone I want. It's my ballot.

I'm telling you if the people write in Ron Paul it will cause chaos throughout the states. They will not be able to stop the peoples voice if you demand it. If you want to be a pussy and vote the way the elites tell you then vote third party and pretend you did something.

Speaking of "pretending to do something"....

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Speaking of "pretending to do something"....

If you don't agree with the kid you're a neo con and elitist.

Mr. Up Front, are you old enough to vote yet?

 

[familydog]

I'm willing to embrace someone that has come to terms, admitted, and converted as opposed to someone who's got his faith so far up his butt it clouds his judgment. Please, let's not go here again. Based on all of the things Baldwin has said in the past I'm sure he would have voted like a John McCain in the congress. He was in that camp for a while and he still lingers in the campsite. Again, if you can provide information or evidence where he has shown he changed his position or repudiated some of his absurd statements I'd acknowledge it.

Speculation based on nothing is fun. Especially when it suits your own political agenda

 

[H Roark]

Barr is ex-CIA?

Yes.

 

[revolutionman]

Its good that 3rd parties go out and try, but with 90% of the voting population voting either democrat or republican, there is no way a 3rd party will win, especially not with the unfair media treatment, they are not invited to debates, most Americans think of 3rd parties the way they think of religious cults. Your not going anywhere with a 3rd party or Independant run. Doing really well as a 3rd party means getting your % into the double digits. They can't even do that right now, so how the hell could they possibly swing 51% of the electoral college? Not with youtube videos. thats for certain.

 

[constituent]

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand what a write-in accomplishes. Your vote will literally go straight into the trash in many states. If you don't want to vote for a third party why not just stay home and save yourself some time?

i hate this attitude.

the presidency is the least important position on the ballot.

typical clueless libertarian type.