Did you fall for it AGAIN?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

i hate this attitude.

the presidency is the least important position on the ballot.

typical clueless libertarian type.

Write-ins can't win. Noone even pays attenton to them.

 

[UnReconstructed]

You've got your head up your ass if you don't think that Obama/McCain isn't going to win. A write-in vote counts as much as a vote for the LP, CP or the GP.

So while you're being just like the Government in telling people what they should or shouldn't be doing you can kiss my ass too.

LMAO at people voting for Barr or Baldwin.! HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You've got your head up your ass if you don't think that Obama/McCain isn't going to win. A write-in vote counts as much as a vote for the LP, CP or the GP.

So while you're being just like the Government in telling people what they should or shouldn't be doing you can kiss my ass too.

LMAO at people voting for Barr or Baldwin.! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ever hear of building a party? You might as well sleep in. Stop acting like a tool

Bob Barr 08

 

[ninepointfive]

I also think it's important to vote for either Barr or Baldwin.

 

[UnReconstructed]

While you may feel that it's important to vote for Barr or Baldwin is fine but don't try to tell me that my vote is shit because I'm not following one of those two.

All three votes count the same because this election is already wrapped up.

I was ready to get behind the LP nominee until the convention. Then I said that I would go with the CP until I heard Chuck Baldwin talking about the 2nd Amendment ruling last week.

I can't get behind any of these cats except the one that brought me here.

 

[Kludge]

The LP has a very good chance of taking 5% this year and receiving convention funding.


Ron isn't registered as a write-in candidate, so your vote will have 0% chance of changing anything. Voting Barr or Baldwin gives you a >0% of real change.

The establishment doesn't give a damn if Ron can take 2-3% of the votes by a write-in campaign...

 

[Verad]

Irony is telling a forum of libertarians what to do, or not to do, with their ballot.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Irony is telling a forum of libertarians what to do, or not to do, with their ballot.

How so? I can tell em', but they don't have to list.

 

[Verad]

How so? I can tell em', but they don't have to list.

True. Perhaps I should have added something to the effect of: "and expect any meaningful response or change of mind." I just wanted to point out the futility in telling a libertarian what to do.

 

[Up Front]

The LP has a very good chance of taking 5% this year and receiving convention funding.


Ron isn't registered as a write-in candidate, so your vote will have 0% chance of changing anything. Voting Barr or Baldwin gives you a >0% of real change.

The establishment doesn't give a damn if Ron can take 2-3% of the votes by a write-in campaign...

You don't get it. Its about changing the minds of the people. When the poll workers and the secretaries of state are flooded with write in Ron Paul ballots it will have an effect on the people.

1. They will all talk about it.
2. It will show them that we will not back down and we are persistant.
3. It will show them that they are not alone. People in general like Ron Paul.

Voting for Barr or Baldwin is just doing what you are told by your master! How has that been going for the last 90 years?

 

[Up Front]

oh and apparently you pissed that 4409 Phoenix Revolution people off calling them lazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sapgy9LKOdo

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You don't get it. Its about changing the minds of the people. When the poll workers and the secretaries of state are flooded with write in Ron Paul ballots it will have an effect on the people.

1. They will all talk about it.
2. It will show them that we will not back down and we are persistant.
3. It will show them that they are not alone. People in general like Ron Paul.

Voting for Barr or Baldwin is just doing what you are told by your master! How has that been going for the last 90 years?

Do you have any evidence to support your opinion? They might not even announce any portion of the write ins. They WILL cover 3rd party percentage, and you can be sure there will be huge talk of Barr being the spoiler for McCain.

 

[Imperial]

You don't get it. Its about changing the minds of the people. When the poll workers and the secretaries of state are flooded with write in Ron Paul ballots it will have an effect on the people.

1. They will all talk about it.
2. It will show them that we will not back down and we are persistant.
3. It will show them that they are not alone. People in general like Ron Paul.

Voting for Barr or Baldwin is just doing what you are told by your master! How has that been going for the last 90 years?

1. What if the poll workers and secretaries of state don't count it? What makes them have to count it? Unless you flood the poll workers with unbiased independents nationwide, there is no reason for them to.

Furthermore, even if they do count them, the media will not show the figures. It will just be a pointless vote.

However, if you play along the game, you can win the game. That is exactly what Ron Paul tried to do running as a Republican. A vote, for either Barr or Baldwin, is an anti-establishment vote. And, it does another thing.

Rather than Ron Paul Revolutionaries being a forgotten voting block, we BECOME a swing vote to be discussed and considered. We have to be catered to by politicians, and allows some real consideration of OUR ideals.

Furthermore, by partaking in playing the game, we can start to get involved in the game. The RPR's have become a force in politics, and alongside the Libertarian Party, it means that politicians can be influenced by what we want.

 

[SeanEdwards]

You don't get it. Its about changing the minds of the people. When the poll workers and the secretaries of state are flooded with write in Ron Paul ballots it will have an effect on the people.

What effect? Disabled by laughter?

Everybody has to decide for themselves how they'll vote, but the write-in people are stupid.



Sorry, just KIDDING! Good luck with your efforts.

 

[Up Front]

1. What if the poll workers and secretaries of state don't count it? What makes them have to count it? Unless you flood the poll workers with unbiased independents nationwide, there is no reason for them to.

Furthermore, even if they do count them, the media will not show the figures. It will just be a pointless vote.

However, if you play along the game, you can win the game. That is exactly what Ron Paul tried to do running as a Republican. A vote, for either Barr or Baldwin, is an anti-establishment vote. And, it does another thing.

Rather than Ron Paul Revolutionaries being a forgotten voting block, we BECOME a swing vote to be discussed and considered. We have to be catered to by politicians, and allows some real consideration of OUR ideals.

Furthermore, by partaking in playing the game, we can start to get involved in the game. The RPR's have become a force in politics, and alongside the Libertarian Party, it means that politicians can be influenced by what we want.

No offense but are you on some kind of Drug?

Do you honestly think your vote counts? You still don't get it. It's about changing the minds of the people letting them know we are here and not going anywhere.

Could you imagine if every ron paul supporter crossed out McCains name and wrote in ROn Paul? It would take us farther than voting for Barr or Baldwin. When you do this it tells the establishment that you will go in line just like a bunch of sheep. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE REVOLT!

Listen I was a Buchanon and a Perot voter. The So called voting block got us no where it only made the two parties even a stronger opposition.

Furthermore, now it's just a joke becauise you get 5% of a diebold voting block...which renders it meaningless because when they want the 5% gone it will be gone just ask any hacker.

I thought Ron Paul people were woke up?

Now Ron Pauls may have something up his sleve in 4 years time with the campaign for liberty but for now we have no choice but first things first you have to get out of denial about your vote somehow counting...

 

[Kludge]

You're assuming a slew of improbable forces working against you.


1) Prove SIGNIFICANT voter fraud is occurring.

2) If many states reject write-in ballots, what will it do?

3) Why is a vote for someone who can not (by LAW) be elected as president because he didn't register taking us farther then voting for a candidate who CAN be elected as president and who's party can receive convention funding if they receive 5% or more this election?

4) If you don't believe your vote counts, why do you continue to insist that writing in Ron Paul will do anything? You might as well stay home and conserve gasoline if you truly believe your vote is worthless.

 

[Up Front]

You're assuming a slew of improbable forces working against you.


1) Prove SIGNIFICANT voter fraud is occurring.

2) If many states reject write-in ballots, what will it do?

3) Why is a vote for someone who can not (by LAW) be elected as president because he didn't register taking us farther then voting for a candidate who CAN be elected as president and who's party can receive convention funding if they receive 5% or more this election?

4) If you don't believe your vote counts, why do you continue to insist that writing in Ron Paul will do anything? You might as well stay home and conserve gasoline if you truly believe your vote is worthless.

1 It's NOT voter fraud it's ELECTION fraud. Voters are not the one's stealing the elections

2. You don't get it. Let them reject it....thants fine, someone has to first see the ballots to reject them. mission acomplished. No one ever see's a diebold vote!

3. Do you honestly think we are writing him in because we think he will win? LOL Again you don't get it. It's not about anyone "winning" because we can't. No different than Bob Barr somehow winning...it's impossible because the game is rigged.

What we are saying is that we are not playing the game! This is what they do not like. They like for you to pretend you had a voice...You don't stike me as a true Ron paul supporter.

As for proof of election fraud I seen this the other day and its probably all that people need to see to know something is wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqIql_6xPv8

 

[Imperial]

It's NOT voter fraud it's ELECTION fraud. Voters are not the one's stealing the elections

2. You don't get it. Let them reject it....thants fine, someone has to first see the ballots to reject them. mission acomplished. No one ever see's a diebold vote!

3. Do you honestly think we are writing him in because we think he will win? LOL Again you don't get it. It's not about anyone "winning" because we can't. No different than Bob Barr somehow winning...it's impossible because the game is rigged.

What we are saying is that we are not playing the game! This is what they do not like. They like for you to pretend you had a voice...You don't stike me as a true Ron paul supporter.

As for proof of election fraud I seen this the other day and its probably all that people need to see to know something is wrong...


In answer to two, if the poll counters are rejecting the votes, won't they not really even care about what it says. If they have already seen that you wrote in something they don't like, they will dismiss it. Just like we dismiss the fact that a majority of Americans still aren't Ron Paul supporters. We go on anyway.

In answer to three, If Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin get a substantial amount of votes, that shows that a large amount are fed up with the status quo. Unlike Ron Paul, they are willing to run, want your votes(unlike RP), and have a slate of electors.

Finally, about playing the game. You cannot just ignore reality. The Founding Fathers had to rewrite the Articles of Confederation and make a whole new document, the Constitution, to address the fact that government does have a role in reality. Ron Paul ran with the Republicans rather than the Libertarians because it got his message out there.

The point: If you play the pundits' game right, you can break the game.

Finally, we all know there is election fraud. It is bad; however, that doesn't change anything. Election fraud has ocurred for years. Until we get the majority of people on our side, the election fraud will continue to impede us.

 

[Kludge]

1 It's NOT voter fraud it's ELECTION fraud. Voters are not the one's stealing the elections

As for proof of election fraud I seen this the other day and its probably all that people need to see to know something is wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqIql_6xPv8

That's not proof, that's embarrassing. If you can't back up the claim, stop making them.

2. You don't get it. Let them reject it....thants fine, someone has to first see the ballots to reject them. mission acomplished. No one ever see's a diebold vote!

Is that a joke? You think someone will care that you wrote down Ron's name before they throw it in the trash and be converted?

3. Do you honestly think we are writing him in because we think he will win? LOL Again you don't get it. It's not about anyone "winning" because we can't. No different than Bob Barr somehow winning...it's impossible because the game is rigged.

Then WHY ARE YOU VOTING?! Voting Barr or Baldwin gives us something to measure and may give the party they're running under additional funding.

What we are saying is that we are not playing the game! This is what they do not like. They like for you to pretend you had a voice...You don't stike me as a true Ron paul supporter.

Who are "they"? And fuck you if you are questioning my support of Dr. Paul and libertarianism. Get your head out of your ass, you are a sheep acting as a shepherd. You seek followers to join in your pointless task to feel good about yourself.

 

[Up Front]

It's NOT voter fraud it's ELECTION fraud. Voters are not the one's stealing the elections

2. You don't get it. Let them reject it....thants fine, someone has to first see the ballots to reject them. mission acomplished. No one ever see's a diebold vote!

3. Do you honestly think we are writing him in because we think he will win? LOL Again you don't get it. It's not about anyone "winning" because we can't. No different than Bob Barr somehow winning...it's impossible because the game is rigged.

What we are saying is that we are not playing the game! This is what they do not like. They like for you to pretend you had a voice...You don't stike me as a true Ron paul supporter.

As for proof of election fraud I seen this the other day and its probably all that people need to see to know something is wrong...


In answer to two, if the poll counters are rejecting the votes, won't they not really even care about what it says. If they have already seen that you wrote in something they don't like, they will dismiss it. Just like we dismiss the fact that a majority of Americans still aren't Ron Paul supporters. We go on anyway.

In answer to three, If Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin get a substantial amount of votes, that shows that a large amount are fed up with the status quo. Unlike Ron Paul, they are willing to run, want your votes(unlike RP), and have a slate of electors.

Finally, about playing the game. You cannot just ignore reality. The Founding Fathers had to rewrite the Articles of Confederation and make a whole new document, the Constitution, to address the fact that government does have a role in reality. Ron Paul ran with the Republicans rather than the Libertarians because it got his message out there.

The point: If you play the pundits' game right, you can break the game.

Finally, we all know there is election fraud. It is bad; however, that doesn't change anything. Election fraud has ocurred for years. Until we get the majority of people on our side, the election fraud will continue to impede us.

You make some valid points but I think it is already established that a large amount are fed up with the status quo they don't need a vote for Barr or Baldwin to confirm this.

In Fact, voting for one of those losers means that YOU will put up with the status quo by mearly just presenting you with two false hopes. Hell they are not even hopes, you and the rest of America knows no one is going to challlenge the 2 party system. The other parties are there to release the frustration in the American people. A Blow off valve basically and nothing more!

I tried that out with Perot it did not work. Now if Paul can truly build a power house in the next 4 years it may work but for this election it's paul or nothing. You can't pull enough of Obamas worshippers to win anything and if you did they would diebold the election.

You have to change the minds of the people throughout America and one way is NOT a vote for BoB (CIA) Barr