Jon Huntsman Did Huntsman lie about his sons serving in the Navy?

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Technically, you could say they ARE in the Navy they just haven't left yet to go SERVE.
 
I think she said when her husband decided to run her boys were about to go into the Navy. They probably are now serving.

It's a non-issue.
 
Technically, you could say they ARE in the Navy they just haven't left yet to go SERVE.


Hmmmm that's a weird line. At the academies you are allowed to leave debt free until sometime in your second year. If you leave during year three, you will have huge debt.

In that respect, they aren't 100% committed yet, and they have been commissioned as an officer until they graduate so I don't know if they are really in the navy yet. Hard to say.

Are ROTC people technically serving in the Navy until they graduate?
 
I think she said when her husband decided to run her boys were about to go into the Navy. They probably are now serving.

It's a non-issue.

Actually, she said that yesterday. Did she also say it when Huntsman decided to run?

If they are about to serve then they are not serving yet, but Huntsman implied that they are already serving:

HUNTSMAN: I’d be on the phone with my two boys in the United States Navy
 
Yes, this picture painting is how most politicians speak. He could have been more precise, but it would not have been as persuasive a picture. Even his comparison to duty as a diplomat is an overreach. His decision to resign as governor and go to china was definitely more of a political move. His decision to resign as ambassador to china and run for president confirms it was more politics than any sense of duty to the country.

It reminds me of the picture painting Hillary did about her Bosnia trip. The real story seems so much more mundane.
 
Actually, she said that yesterday. Did she also say it when Huntsman decided to run?

If they are about to serve then they are not serving yet, but Huntsman implied that they are already serving:

HUNTSMAN: I’d be on the phone with my two boys in the United States Navy

Yep..she said it yesterday talking about when her husband decided to run for President.

See the video at the 1:40 mark. It's pretty clear.
 
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Just a heads up so that we are all on the same page. Last I heard, his sons are squids at the Naval Academy. One is a freshman, and the other is a sophomore.

"I’d be on the phone with my two boys at the naval academy." or "I'd be on the phone with my two boys at Annapolis." That would be more precise, but they are in the Navy as far as the government is concerned.
 
Hmmmm that's a weird line. At the academies you are allowed to leave debt free until sometime in your second year. If you leave during year three, you will have huge debt.

In that respect, they aren't 100% committed yet, and they have been commissioned as an officer until they graduate so I don't know if they are really in the navy yet. Hard to say.

Are ROTC people technically serving in the Navy until they graduate?
No idea, could be the idea that you know you will be part of something, but it's just a matter of time.
 
Just a heads up so that we are all on the same page. Last I heard, his sons are squids at the Naval Academy. One is a freshman, and the other is a sophomore.

"I’d be on the phone with my two boys at the naval academy." or "I'd be on the phone with my two boys at Annapolis." That would be more precise, but they are in the Navy as far as the government is concerned.

If that is true, then Huntsman at the least was misleading. Not a lie, but it's exploiting something for political gain. It seems like his wife is continuing with that false characterization, too.
 
When they enlist, they are in the Navy. But they're not exactly serving the Navy until they go to boot camp or are deployed. It seems fine to me.
 
Seems like a moot point. You aren't going to attack Huntsman over his son's essentially being in the Navy.

Seriously if the media can attack us for what one random, unknown youtube user posted....what would they do to us if we mentioned something like this?
 
Had a friend of mine that went through the Air Force academy... for all intents and purposes, he was in the air force and nobody ever really needed to point out that technically he wasn't in the air force yet.
 
Gingrich and Huntsman are exploiting their military ties for political gain. They are trying for political cover against the charge that they are chicken hawks. It is not relevant whether their father or sons served. They still are chicken hawks because they themselves did not serve, but are willing to send people into unjust wars. Contrast to Rick Perry, who did serve but also willing to send people back to Iraq. So Perry is no chicken hawk, but Gingrich and Huntsman will always be chicken hawks.
 
Gingrich got deferments. Cool. He didn't go and somebody else went in his place. Like prison, Viet Nam was a place black men were far more likely to be.

No problem is someone stayed out of Viet Nam because of a deferment. It just means such a person should not go into Federal politics.

I think people who avoided the draft for any reason, should as a point of honor, recuse themselves from positions where they might send soldiers into danger. Like wife-beaters, we should hold such men in scorn. Including Huntsman, Romney, Santorum, W, Clinton, Cheney, and nearly all neocons.

Serial hypocrisy.
 
He is not lying and I don't think this a wise area to attack him. Appointments to the Naval Academy are well respected and difficult to obtain (at least if your dad is not Jon Huntsman). While they have not deployed or technically "served," Naval Academy midshipmen are considered on active duty (while NROTC are considered reserve). Midshipmen wear the uniform and it is understood that they have every intention to serve after the completion of their training/degree. I attended the Naval Academy and it is a 24/7 job and you are held accountable to Midshipmen Regulations, the UCMJ, and are expected to conduct themselves as Officers in Training at all times. You are also sworn in at the beginning on Induction Day, at the beginning of your freshmen (Plebe) year which is the standard for "service". The midshipmen appointment oath is slightly different but applies until you are Commissioned upon graduation where you take the standard Oath of Office for officers.

OATH OF OFFICE
Having been appointed a Midshipman in the United States Navy,
do you solemnly swear (or affirm) that you will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the
duties of the office on which you are about to enter, so help you God?

Classes and activities such as lectures, drill, and even attending football games are mandatory and considered a military obligation. They are granted liberty and leave. In addition to academic classes, there are a large number of physical education and officer development course, and the summers are spent training with different warfare communities in the fleet.

You are not obligated to serve in the fleet until you sign your "2 for 7" papers at the beginning of your Junior year, upon which you owe the Navy years of service depending on your selected warfare community (5 years for Marines and Surface Warfare, more for pilots, NFOs because of the extra expense and time they require for training) Up to signing the papers at the beginning of your Junior, you can separate with no financial penalties. The attrition rate for my class was pretty standard, starting with 1268 midshipmen and graduating with ~990. Most of those that dropout do so in the first two years before signing the papers. After that, some still drop out due to violations of the UCMJ, conduct offenses, academic performance, or failure to pass physical standards and supposedly owe the Navy several hundred thousand dollars.
 
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pointing out that your opponent has kids in the armed forces is not exactly the shrewdest strategy
 
Yes. I was in Marine Corps PLC in college and trained at OCS is Quanitico, VA a couple of summers (free to decide to serve after graduation- I chose not to b/c I disagreed with what I thought was a coming invasion of Kosovo/Yugoslavia)- neither of which is as substantial an "every day" commitment as being a Naval Academy midshipmen obviously (hence the active v. reserve distinction pointed out earlier). Neverthless, I took an oath, was issued a military ID and am technically considered a "veteran" according to the official government rolls and routinely receive solicitation for veteran benefits, veteran-geared discounts, etc. and the like (though I never participate in them).

Anyway- IMHO Huntsman is only really "guilty" of casting a true statement (his sons being active duty in the US Navy as academy midshipmen) in its best possible light. Proud fathers do it every day. Best to just drop it IMHO...
 
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