Did Gary Johnson Throw out AP's pistol?

[GunnyFreedom]

And you do not believe that, on balance, Gary Johnson's policy positions represent a shift toward constitutional government?

A few of his many positions which represent a dramatic shift toward constitutional government:

• Abolishing the Fed
• Cutting federal spending (which is almost exclusively on unconstitutional programs) by 43%
• Repealing the PATRIOT Act

None of which outweigh his desire to make morality a federal mandate.

The federal and state balance of power is f'd up enough at it is, and it is a tenfold bigger issue than rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Which of his unconstitutional proposals (gay cakes?) are so egregious that they outweigh the above, for a net move away from the constitution?

I love how you take a primary violation of the federal Constitution and blithely pass it off as baking a cake. But yeah, I'll bite that halibut. Any person who would hold a gun to someone's head and make them bake a cake should be in jail, not the White House.

It's hard to grasp because you constantly equivocate.

....acting as if all compromise is bad, and then backing down when challenged on the absurdity of that position.

How have I backed down? I sidestepped your complex-question trap by re-stating my actual belief and in your world this is backing down? LOL








Am I the only one who finds it brutally ironic how this guy was so rabidly anti-trumpaloompa all this time, and all the sudden Johnson is the topic and he turns into one of them, only pro-Johnson?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

None of which outweigh his desire to make morality a federal mandate.

Just to be clear: You think that the federal government forcing businesses to serve gays is worse than the Fed, the PATRIOT Act, and 43% of all federal programs combined? You'd rather prevent the former than abolish the latter?

The federal and state balance of power is f'd up enough at it is, and it is a tenfold bigger issue than rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

And you don't think that abolishing 43% of the federal government might rebalance things a tad?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Just to be clear: You think that the federal government forcing businesses to serve gays is worse than the Fed, the PATRIOT Act, and 43% of all federal programs combined? You'd rather prevent the former than abolish the latter?

You keep trying to pervert my position into the little box you have selected for me in your head. It will not work, and it's a practice the Trumpaloompas used and you should be ashamed.

I have said and I will say again, I vote for the people I believe will bring us closer to the Constitution, and oppose those who would remove us further from it. The #1 issue in Constitutional Compliance today, is the balance of federal and state powers. If anyone wants from me what YOU would call a "compromise vote" then first and foremost they will not f'k up the balance of federal and state power any more than it already is.

And you don't think that abolishing 43% of the federal government might rebalance things a tad?

I get that you do not consider piddlin shyt like.......the entire foundation of American government.....important enough to affect your lofty goals, but I do not and will never think like you. Indeed I am appalled that such a position would even be entertained.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Let's review:

And you do not believe that, on balance, Gary Johnson's policy positions represent a shift toward constitutional government?

A few of his many positions which represent a dramatic shift toward constitutional government:

• Abolishing the Fed
• Cutting federal spending (which is almost exclusively on unconstitutional programs) by 43%
• Repealing the PATRIOT Act

Which of his unconstitutional proposals (gay cakes?) are so egregious that they outweigh the above, for a net move away from the constitution?

None of which outweigh his desire to make morality a federal mandate.

Just to be clear: You think that the federal government forcing businesses to serve gays is worse than the Fed, the PATRIOT Act, and 43% of all federal programs combined? You'd rather prevent the former than abolish the latter?

You keep trying to pervert my position into the little box you have selected for me in your head.

Now, how exactly did I misrepresent you?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Let's review:



Now, how exactly did I misrepresent you?

Well first of all you think I give a damn about 'gays' one way or the other.

This perception is probably an effect of your aggressively narrow perspective.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Well first of all you think I give a damn about 'gays' one way or the other.

This perception is probably an effect of your aggressively narrow perspective.

That is not an answer to the question: more like an evasion.

 

[Working Poor]

To me this seems like the most deranged election I have ever been aware of.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

To me this seems like the most deranged election I have ever been aware of.

No doubt about that..

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That is not an answer to the question: more like an evasion.

LOL really?

How many times do I have to say that the #1 issue is the balance of federal and state power before you stop trying to make it about baking cookies and gay sex?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I mean, are cookies and sex all you can think about or something?

Because my position honestly has nothing to do with either, but you keep ruthlessly dragging them back in.

Why?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

....johnson sucks...but austin petersen sucks even worse...petersen praises the stinking warmonger ted cruz and the stinking warmonger glenn beck praises petersen...

....petersen appears to me as just another goddamned fool republican warmonger...petersen and his stooooooooooopid glenn beck supporters need to go back to the miserable, warmongering tea bag republican wing...no honest libertarian could support petersen...

...johnson sucks too...but many libertarians give him a pass for his support over the years...

....but republicrat weld is an ESPECIALLY bad VP choice for a 'just barely libertarian' johnson...

...johnson/weld or johnson/petersen=no vote/support from panqui....(this is like the stinking boob barf/WAR LP ticket in 2008..UGH!!)

 

[presence]

disappointment in Johnson beyond words

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

If I show up at the polls at all it will be to write in Rand (or his daddy...)

 

[Krugminator2]

He are my observations from closely following Gary Johnson this Memorial weekend:

Gary Johnson supports equal pay laws, anti-discrimination laws, he scolded Republicans for wanting to cut funding to Planned Parenthood because it was meant to interfere with a woman;s right to choose, said the free market not the EPA bankrupted the coal industry, said Republicans should vote for Scalia's replacement because a liberal judge is going to side with Libertarians 75% of the time, said a Obama/Romney/Kasich eminent domain green energy supporter Bill Weld was the original libertarian, supports mandatory calorie labeling in restaurants, sending the US military to go after Joseph Kony, was for banning burqas before walking it back, said he wants to cut the budget by 43% but wants to somehow preserve Social Security and Medicare, he did not know who Henry Hazlitt was in an interview, opposes the Indiana 1st Amendment confirmation law and hedged on whether or not ministers and priests to be forced to perform gay marriages.

I have changed my mind on the LP. I am solidly Republican and the LP should fail. I would take every single member of the House Freedom Caucus over Gary Johnson and I would take 1/2 of the House and Senate Republicans over Bill Weld. Johnson/Weld is what the Daily Kos thinks a libertarian is. They are both socially progressive, moderate Republicans.

 

[specsaregood]

So I am supposed to abandon my every principle in a quest to obtain federal funds?

Now that is funny.

 

[specsaregood]

Yes, it was a douche move.

I've been saying for years that GJ was a giant douche. Ever since that CPAC in 2010? where he introduced the giant standup photo of himself promoting his PAC. It's been obvious for awhile now.

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[specsaregood]

A few of his many positions which represent a dramatic shift toward constitutional government:

•Abolishing the Fed

Can you please cite for me a reference of GJ actually proposing/promoting abolishing the federal reserve. TIA.

 

[undergroundrr]

....johnson sucks...but austin petersen sucks even worse...petersen praises the stinking warmonger ted cruz and the stinking warmonger glenn beck praises petersen...

....petersen appears to me as just another goddamned fool republican warmonger...petersen and his stooooooooooopid glenn beck supporters need to go back to the miserable, warmongering tea bag republican wing...no honest libertarian could support petersen...

Yeah, I could have supported Petersen (I'm supporting Johnson) but I wouldn't have felt great about it. From all I could see, he's a narcissistic hothead. Like an attention-seeking blogger, he rates his own performance by how many punches he lands and how much chaos he causes.

Petersen's confrontation with Johnson about Weld in front of the press can be taken two ways. Some people, I'm sure, cheered AP on for stripping the bride bare with her bachelors.

I thought it was mega-childish and showed he's more interested in scorching earth and advancing himself than achieving anything for liberty. And that confrontation probably was the tip of the iceberg in how AP has interacted with GJ.

I see the gun thing not as a laurel wreath from AP but as a parting shot at Johnson about Weld not being 100% on gun rights.

Again, I have to assume AP was probably a complete dick behind the scenes. If I were GJ, I wouldn't feel like I owed him crap. But it also would have behooved GJ to take the high road.

 

[jkob]

This story seems a little too contrived don't you think?

That replica gun costs about $80 when you look it up on Google by the way, it wasn't really George Washington's gun. It's a nice gesture, I guess, but an incredibly dorky one.

 

[RJ Liberty]

Can you please cite for me a reference of GJ actually proposing/promoting abolishing the federal reserve. TIA.

I'm not R3v, obviously, but here's a link where Gary says, at the 9:07 mark, that he would abolish the Fed, and if he couldn't get it abolished (which he thinks is likely, due to Congress), he'd get it audited.