Did Gary Johnson Throw out AP's pistol?

[GunnyFreedom]

You just accused someone of repeated strawmen, and here you are. With regards to the goal of the campaign, getting Weld on board vs losing half of a very very small crowd, is a net gain.

That is an electoral gain, which I have already demonstrated is worthless without principle.

If the LP discovers that electoral gains come by nominating statist authoritarians, then you can bet that's all they will ever nominate again. If anything, voting for Johnson and contributing to his success will destroy the long term future of a principled Libertarian Party.

I didn't say my personal goals, nor did I mention yours.

You don't GAF about elections. That's good, because you will never have an impact on one with your outlook.

You mean except for the ones I win myself?

You GAF about running a constitutional government. That's too bad, because you will never be able to impact the change required to bring the america people to your line of thinking.

Do you mean to say that people like me can't get elected?

You cannot bring about a coalition for constitutional government without a national platform from which to speak on it.

A national platform of "let's shit all over the Constitution" is not a platform that will advance Constitutional government in any way, shape, or form.

You cannot get that platform unless you are a member of a major party. In the 2 party system you have no opportunity to form such a coalition because you have no basis on which to adjust the platform in an actionable way.

So what you are saying is you vote for the party not the candidate?

This leaves you to the process of generating new major parties. You will never in a million years do this without compromise from all involved.

You don't build a party through compromise, you build a party by coalition. These are two completely different and even opposed techniques.

This isn't the route that you wish to take. That's fine, and even laudable, but you remain separate from the process.

You have made it abundantly clear that you do not have the first clue what "I wish" in the first place, and your lofty pronunciations of what you imagine me to believe are really more a reflection of your space than mine.

Do what you feel is best for your, man. Hopefully everyone else does the same.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Can you please cite for me a reference of GJ actually proposing/promoting abolishing the federal reserve. TIA.

"Gary Johnson end the Fed" is the query which you could submit to Google.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

That's what I think. Austin Petersen prominently gives Gary a gun in front of the whole delegation, then Petersen's supporters find the gun in the trash at the event? Why would Johnson throw the gun away at the convention hall? It's a fake story, put together by Petersen supporters, or by people hoping to raise the drama around the LP.

I think so too.

Occam's razor n'all...

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RJ Liberty again"

 

[nasaal]

That is an electoral gain, which I have already demonstrated is worthless without principle.

If the LP discovers that electoral gains come by nominating statist authoritarians, then you can bet that's all they will ever nominate again. If anything, voting for Johnson and contributing to his success will destroy the long term future of a principled Libertarian Party.



You mean except for the ones I win myself?



Do you mean to say that people like me can't get elected?



A national platform of "let's $#@! all over the Constitution" is not a platform that will advance Constitutional government in any way, shape, or form.



So what you are saying is you vote for the party not the candidate?



You don't build a party through compromise, you build a party by coalition. These are two completely different and even opposed techniques.



You have made it abundantly clear that you do not have the first clue what "I wish" in the first place, and your lofty pronunciations of what you imagine me to believe are really more a reflection of your space than mine.

You either failed to address what was said, made a direct strawman, or outright deflected without actually stating any real view of your own.

If you dying want any discourse on the subject that's gravy. Just needs to say so.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You either failed to address what was said, made a direct strawman, or outright deflected without actually stating any real view of your own.

If you can't tell which one, then chances are you are just making it up to mollify your own conscience.

If you dying want any discourse on the subject that's gravy. Just needs to say so.

Now I'm dying because I believe differently than you?

 

[nasaal]

If you can't tell which one, then chances are you are just making it up to mollify your own conscience.



Now I'm dying because I believe differently than you?

The separate accusations refer to you doing at least one in each seperate reply to a quotation.

The dying thing is that fault of autocorrect. The intended word was 'don't'

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The separate accusations refer to you doing at least one in each seperate reply to a quotation.

Well, you can accuse me of your own imaginations all day long, but none of that impacts anything I have said. This long misled and ineffective attempt to poison the well by attacking my person does not change the fact that Gary Johnson is an anticonstitutionalist and that his election or even just his educational campaign would make things far worse for my agenda of restoring constitutional government to the United States. His building actual support will likely set the Libertarian Party back 15 years, as once they see some electoral success in nominating a statist authoritarian narcissist, you can bet they will never nominate another liberty minded person again until the people in charge now are tossed out on their ears.

 

[jct74]

Austin Petersen Flix
May 31 at 12:07 am

From Austin Petersen concerning the flintlock issue, from his livestream in the private group Austin Petersen for President.

"About the gun issue, I mean guys I'm just going to tell you what. There is nothing to be gained in pushing this. No matter what the story is, and believe me it doesn't look good. It looks horrible. But there's nothing to gained by sparking a civil war over this.

So I can't tell you to support Gary Johnson. That's up to you. I definitely endorse him still because I think he is much better than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

And you know what the truth is, is that the party's ideas and the ticket... if Gary Johnson does well that's more important than my ego. That's more important than any... even if it was completely true, and was the worst possible side that people are saying, it doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter.

Because any insults to my character, any insults about me; there are much bigger fish to fry. Okay? That's just my ego. And that will survive because you all know it's big enough already [laughs in Libertarian].

So please stop the hate. I would just really like for everybody to heal. Do whatever you think is right of course, that's up to you."

https://www.facebook.com/APFlix/posts/1710186835903891

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What does "Laughs in Libertarian" even mean?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

https://www.facebook.com/APFlix/posts/1710186835903891

Good, but he should have been contemplating the value of LP unity when he attacked Johnson in front of the fucking Washington Post.

Okay, fine, calm, Serenity Now, HOOCHIE MAMA!

....I can deal with it, as the only thing that actually matters is that libertarians unite around someone.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I said Johnson wasn't libertarian in 2012, and I've been saying it ever since. Now everyone is seeing what I've always known.

When I was at the Ron Paul rally in Tampa in 2012, Johnson had his supporters come in and try to disrupt the rally by staging supporters around the arena to shout /boo in unison. Same type of classless story as this one.

Elect McAfee 2016. splitting the "libertarian" vote hardly matters. It's a protest vote, and Johnson isn't a libertarian.

 

[RJ Liberty]

Is this actually getting reported by some news outlet whose audience includes nonlibertarians?

It has been now, by the Washington Times and Fox News. I view this as a good thing; Trump's proved the old quote that there's no such thing as "bad publicity".

 

[erowe1]

I said Johnson wasn't libertarian in 2012

Since when do you consider that a bad thing?

 

[phill4paul]

Supposedly they all made up. Got them a number of days in the news. Meh.