Did Donald Trump take a dive last night?

[Zippyjuan]

Trump does well? It is because he is awesome. Trump does poorly- it is somebody else's fault. He does the same thing with the media and polls. When he was ahead in the primary- "Just look at the polls! I am winning! The don't lie". Then in the general election and he is trailing in the same polls, "they are biased and lying! You just wait!" Somebody else's fault. Not Trump's.

My quick impression? Trump was one of those kids who didn't have to study hard in school. So he rarely studied and didn't spend much time on homework. He was bragging about how Clinton was hiding and prepping for the debate while he "didn't have to waste his time" on it. Maybe next time he will do some homework instead of trying to phone it in?

 

[jmdrake]

Most of the audience has no idea WTF is a TPP, and are tired of hearing about the emails. That's the type of stuff that happens when the candidates run campaigns that are devoid of substance.

The emails thing has been overused. Trump supporters think it is owning her every time it gets mentioned but to many people it is getting old and he better come up with some new material if he wants to get people's attention. He seems inclined to try and burn her on Bill's failures as his second act. Y'all should encourage him to go there, loudly, and stop pussyfooting around with it....

The emails have NOT been overused and the American people are NOT tired of hearing about them. Seriously nobody thinking straight would assert that. Hillary opens the door to talking about her email server everytime she complains about Russia supposedly hacking the DNC.

 

[PursuePeace]

I thought, by the way, Ender, that you had! You wrote "YES MOO DID" and I thought you meant "YES YOU DID" as in, "Yes, Helmuth, you most certainly did notice that, you couldn't have missed it, you're just lying." And that the "MOO" was just a bizarre attempt to be funny and insult me somehow by calling me a cow.

hate to interrupt.....but. lol

 

[LibertyEagle]

He lost undecides last night anyway. The focus groups of undecided voters showed that. He attacked Hillary, it's just that his attacks were stupid. He attack Hillary for running attack ads against him and not being "nice." Sorry. That didn't make him look presidential. It made him look whiny.

NOTE: My apologies to Drake. I mistakenly thought when I wrote this that he was talking about the 2nd debate and he wasn't.

Perhaps you should watch the debate before you comment further. I DID watch it. He kicked Hillary's ass all over that stage. He was horrible in the 1st debate, but on this one, he was pretty damned good. Add that to the pre-debate press conference where he introduced Bill Clinton's rapee's, in addition to the woman whose rapist that Hillary got of. It was a wonderful evening for Trump.

 

[Ender]

Perhaps you should watch the debate before you comment further. I DID watch it. He kicked Hillary's ass all over that stage. He was horrible in the 1st debate, but on this one, he was pretty damned good. Add that to the pre-debate press conference where he introduced Bill Clinton's rapee's, in addition to the woman whose rapist that Hillary got off, it was a wonderful evening for Trump.

I watched it too- and thought he was pretty damned bad.

 

[jmdrake]

Perhaps you should watch the debate before you comment further. I DID watch it. He kicked Hillary's ass all over that stage. He was horrible in the 1st debate, but on this one, he was pretty damned good. Add that to the pre-debate press conference where he introduced Bill Clinton's rapee's, in addition to the woman whose rapist that Hillary got of. It was a wonderful evening for Trump.

LibertyEagle, you realize that you are reply to a comment I made after the first debate and before the second debate right? No I guess not. So let me clarify it for you. That was the pre second debate comment. I agree with you that he did a much better job on the second debate. He hammered Hillary on the emails and he went ahead and went after Hillary and Bill. His missed a golden opportunity to attack Hillary's Syria policy but nobody is perfect. He did do a good job bringing up the fact that even CNN had busted Hillary for lying about not calling the TPP the "gold standard." I'm not sure why he wont go after Hillary on Syria.

 

[LibertyEagle]

LibertyEagle, you realize that you are reply to a comment I made after the first debate and before the second debate right? No I guess not.

Oops, no I didn't. Sorry Drake.

His missed a golden opportunity to attack Hillary's Syria policy but nobody is perfect.

Well, he kinda did. He talked about Hillary not knowing who the "rebels" were that she was supporting and that often, the people being supported are much worse than what Hillary is trying to overthrow.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I watched it too- and thought he was pretty damned bad.

Aren't you one of the folks who want open borders with unlimited immigration?

 

[jmdrake]

I watched it too- and thought he was pretty damned bad.

I'm no Trump fan but I will give credit where credit is due. He got off the defensive. This wasn't like last time when CNN was doing post debate interviews with "Miss Piggy." Remember Hillary saying "When they go low we go high?" She had started off going low. She likely won't talk about Trump's issues with women in a debate again. Mission accomplished on that front.

 

[Ender]

Aren't you one of the folks who want open borders with unlimited immigration?

You know I stand with Ron Paul on that issue- freedom to travel; no entitlements.

That was never in the debate to my recollection, so why are you bringing it up?

 

[Ender]

I'm no Trump fan but I will give credit where credit is due. He got off the defensive. This wasn't like last time when CNN was doing post debate interviews with "Miss Piggy." Remember Hillary saying "When they go low we go high?" She had started off going low. She likely won't talk about Trump's issues with women in a debate again. Mission accomplished on that front.

I thought Trump just did his usual- talked too much, interrupted, no personal goals as president, only constant attack, and said ridiculous things like "Lincoln never lied."

 

[jmdrake]

I thought Trump just did his usual- talked too much, interrupted, no personal goals as president, only constant attack, and said ridiculous things like "Lincoln never lied."

He needed to be on constant attack. He got attacked in the first debate and didn't fight back. That's why I started this thread. Debates aren't about being nice. Hillary wasn't being nice. She's the one that started with the low blows. Actually her teammates, the moderators, started with the low blows. And his counter attacks were effective. He shut Hillary up on the "war on women" BS she was trying to run with. He made her eat her own words about tthe TPP being the "gold standard." He effectively used the email issue to make her look incompetent. He ran the table on her. I honestly didn't think he would do what he needed to do but he surprised me. I thought...and to some extent still think, that he was (is?) a Clinton manchurian candidate. But he went off script in the second debate.

As for praising Lincoln and using that to attack Hillary? Smart move. I know Lincoln isn't popular at RPF (and IMO maligned more than he should be), but to most of the rest of the country his face actually belongs on Mt. Rushmore. That was Trump's "You are no Jack Kennedy" moment. Yeah Bush/Quayle ultimately won that election but Dan Quayle was never taken seriously after that moment.

 

[CPUd]

He needed to be on constant attack. He got attacked in the first debate and didn't fight back. That's why I started this thread. Debates aren't about being nice. Hillary wasn't being nice. She's the one that started with the low blows. Actually her teammates, the moderators, started with the low blows. And his counter attacks were effective. He shut Hillary up on the "war on women" BS she was trying to run with. He made her eat her own words about tthe TPP being the "gold standard." He effectively used the email issue to make her look incompetent. He ran the table on her. I honestly didn't think he would do what he needed to do but he surprised me. I thought...and to some extent still think, that he was (is?) a Clinton manchurian candidate. But he went off script in the second debate.

As for praising Lincoln and using that to attack Hillary? Smart move. I know Lincoln isn't popular at RPF (and IMO maligned more than he should be), but to most of the rest of the country his face actually belongs on Mt. Rushmore. That was Trump's "You are no Jack Kennedy" moment. Yeah Bush/Quayle ultimately won that election but Dan Quayle was never taken seriously after that moment.

It actually makes for a stronger case, given the leaked memo somewhat confirming Trump was being propped up on purpose. Notice how he is still spending a lot of time attacking Republicans and now pandering exclusively to his base. They are so whipped up now, they are vowing not to vote GOP downballot. There's not enough of them to win POTUS, but enough to throw House and Senate seats to the D's- they will win bigly from this shit show.

 

[jmdrake]

It actually makes for a stronger case, given the leaked memo somewhat confirming Trump was being propped up on purpose. Notice how he is still spending a lot of time attacking Republicans and now pandering exclusively to his base. They are so whipped up now, they are vowing not to vote GOP downballot. There's not enough of them to win POTUS, but enough to throw House and Senate seats to the D's- they will win bigly from this $#@! show.

The Republicans he's attacking are traitors. Seriously. John freaking McCain. Mitt freaking Romney. Paul douchebag Ryan. I don't like Trump but this was a biatch move on their part. And during the debate he called for blacks and latinos/hispanics (not sure why he kept saying it that way) to vote for him. His debate performance the second debate was miles above his first debate performance.

Now here's a question for you. Why can't you find it in yourself to say anything negative about Hillary? Like....ever?

 

[CPUd]

The Republicans he's attacking are traitors. Seriously. John freaking McCain. Mitt freaking Romney. Paul douchebag Ryan. I don't like Trump but this was a biatch move on their part. And during the debate he called for blacks and latinos/hispanics (not sure why he kept saying it that way) to vote for him. His debate performance the second debate was miles above his first debate performance.

Now here's a question for you. Why can't you find it in yourself to say anything negative about Hillary? Like....ever?

Is it a requirement?

 

[CPUd]

And it's more than just McCain and Ryan, here's one of their "hit lists":

 

[Danke]

The Republicans he's attacking are traitors. Seriously. John freaking McCain. Mitt freaking Romney. Paul douchebag Ryan. I don't like Trump but this was a biatch move on their part. And during the debate he called for blacks and latinos/hispanics (not sure why he kept saying it that way) to vote for him. His debate performance the second debate was miles above his first debate performance.

Now here's a question for you. Why can't you find it in yourself to say anything negative about Hillary? Like....ever?

Once a Hillary supporter, always a Hillary supporter?

 

[jmdrake]

Is it a requirement?

So I take it your answer is no. And to answer your question, it is a requirement if you wish to be taken seriously.