Did Donald Trump take a dive last night?

[phill4paul]

How can a microphone pick up a conversation in a crowded stadium? I wouldn't put it past someone to have screwed with his microphone to enhance the noise every time he breathed thru his nose.

 

[Schifference]

In my experience when someone sniffles they have a runny nose. His nose appears dry at all times.

 

[Schifference]

Might be a ploy to instigate conversation like we are having. Who knows. Sounds like an inspiration to me.

 

[moostraks]

Might be a ploy to instigate conversation like we are having. Who knows. Sounds like an inspiration to me.

He's done it on at least two other occasions I can think of off the top of my head. I was surprised to finally see it get traction last night. After the Orlando speech, I told both ds and Dh about how obnoxious it was and how impossible it is to watch his speeches with all the snorting going on. I voiced my exasperation last night right away because I knew it was going to be a distraction, yet again. His mannerisms are bad enough, but add the snorfling/suction thing in (sniffing just really doesn't quite cover that freakish breathing) and ugh...

 

[Peace Piper]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the Michelle/Bush pic originate in the photoshop battle section of Reddit. Don't believe everything you see on the intergoogles.

Looks real

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A blatant, in your face reminder that this absurd fake "division" b/w "left" and "right" is a circus act.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Trump tried to tone it down. Hillary and her team did their homework. They knew how to bait Trump. Amateur politicians often have this problem. They take questions at face value and attempt to answer them, which makes them easy to manipulate and lead around.

Professional politicians dismiss quickly when set-up and change the subject. Really good politicians can turn it around. Being defensive and dwelling on it is a losing strategy, and they trapped Trump like that over and over.

yep. ^this

 

[Saint Vitus]

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I absolutely hate Hillary. I really wanted to see Trump go after her and destroy her. But that debate performance by Trump was abysmal, I don't see how anybody can think he won. He couldn't string together a coherent argument the entire night. This was a presidential debate that he has had months to prepare for, and it looked like he was just making shit up as he goes.

 

[Champ]

Trump got stuck in a quagmire of his own ego and self importance instead of making the easiest attacks on an incredibly vulnerable and scandal prone opponent.

He began the debate solidly going on the offensive and making strong attacks against Hillary, but then as soon as they asked about his audit, he starting bumbling and rambling on and on. He was on the defensive for no reason the rest of the way. He would turn questions unrelated to anything having to do with his business record, to doing just that, endlessly defending his business record and his character. He had many opportunities to attack Hillary on the most obvious things, the e-mails, her terrible foreign policy record, questions of her health, and he just flat out fudged these attacks. I think he said maybe one to two lines about the e-mails and failed entirely to mention Benghazi and had maybe one other line about Hillary not being "tough" enough, which I assume was a reference to her health.

If his plan is the long game, fine, he did a great job of lowering just about everyone's expectations for round 2, and he could be on a path to peak by the end of round 3. If his plan was to nail Hillary on all of the big scandals and paint her as a lying fraud, he failed. Either way, it was just sad to see that this is what it has come to, one of these two people, will be the next President.

 

[Ender]

Trump got stuck in a quagmire of his own ego and self importance instead of making the easiest attacks on an incredibly vulnerable and scandal prone opponent.

He began the debate solidly going on the offensive and making strong attacks against Hillary, but then as soon as they asked about his audit, he starting bumbling and rambling on and on. He was on the defensive for no reason the rest of the way. He would turn questions unrelated to anything having to do with his business record, to doing just that, endlessly defending his business record and his character. He had many opportunities to attack Hillary on the most obvious things, the e-mails, her terrible foreign policy record, questions of her health, and he just flat out fudged these attacks. I think he said maybe one to two lines about the e-mails and failed entirely to mention Benghazi and had maybe one other line about Hillary not being "tough" enough, which I assume was a reference to her health.

If his plan is the long game, fine, he did a great job of lowering just about everyone's expectations for round 2, and he could be on a path to peak by the end of round 3. If his plan was to nail Hillary on all of the big scandals and paint her as a lying fraud, he failed. Either way, it was just sad to see that this is what it has come to, one of these two people, will be the next President.

Pretty much my POV, as well.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Trump got stuck in a quagmire of his own ego and self importance instead of making the easiest attacks on an incredibly vulnerable and scandal prone opponent.

He began the debate solidly going on the offensive and making strong attacks against Hillary, but then as soon as they asked about his audit, he starting bumbling and rambling on and on. He was on the defensive for no reason the rest of the way. He would turn questions unrelated to anything having to do with his business record, to doing just that, endlessly defending his business record and his character. He had many opportunities to attack Hillary on the most obvious things, the e-mails, her terrible foreign policy record, questions of her health, and he just flat out fudged these attacks. I think he said maybe one to two lines about the e-mails and failed entirely to mention Benghazi and had maybe one other line about Hillary not being "tough" enough, which I assume was a reference to her health.

If his plan is the long game, fine, he did a great job of lowering just about everyone's expectations for round 2, and he could be on a path to peak by the end of round 3. If his plan was to nail Hillary on all of the big scandals and paint her as a lying fraud, he failed. Either way, it was just sad to see that this is what it has come to, one of these two people, will be the next President.

pretty much my POV, also.

If they did have a deal with the moderator, and if they did fug with his mic... Should he be surprised? Would anybody be surprised by these kind of shenanigans?

No... Trump needs to pull up his pants, rub some dirt on his wounds and seriously prep up for the next one. And be prepared to let the sh!t fly - no holds barred.

If he actually wants to be the President, of course - which is debatable. Who in their right mind would want to be?

 

[kahless]

Trump having to debate both Hillary and lester Holt, threw him off his balance towards the end. I do not think anyone including Trump expected Holt to be the most biased moderator in the history of Presidential debates. I know it is NBC but in this case who would have thought Holt would tarnish all he has built for himself as a fair serious journalist.

That all went out the window last night. The left will take care of him for now until they are done with him but his place in history and his character will be forever sadly defined by his bias in last nights debate.

 

[CPUd]

Trump having to debate both Hillary and lester Holt, threw him off his balance towards the end. I do not think anyone including Trump expected Holt to be the most biased moderator in the history of Presidential debates. I know it is NBC but in this case who would have thought Holt would tarnish all he has built for himself as a fair serious journalist.

That all went out the window last night. The left will take care of him for now until they are done with him but his place in history and his character will be forever sadly defined by his bias in last nights debate.

Do you think he was more biased than Candy Crowley?

 

[kahless]

Do you think he was more biased than Candy Crowley?

Lester did surpass Crowley in that respect. The difference here is with her it was expected considering she was known as a partisan hack and that the Republicans fear the race card so much they are reluctant to criticize Holt as much as they did with Crowley.

 

[Champ]

Holt was definitely worse than Crowley. I was waiting for Holt to have a moment like that, after Matt Lauer was perceived to benefit Trump weeks earlier, and it did happen. They wanted to "even the playing field", but instead of simply using it as a single assist, akin to Crowley, they used this debate as an opportunity to go all in against him. Instead of stopping after the first time he helped out Hillary by questioning the validity of Trump's statement, he interrupted Trump multiple times, and asked many followup questions about Trump's character and scandals. I don't recall him doing the same with Hillary more than a single time. He also only hushed the crowd after Trump got an applause whereas Hillary got an applause minutes later and he said nothing. To be fair the crowd cheered many times afterwards for both candidates and he continued doing nothing, even after both the debate organizers and moderator stated no applause was allowed. No control over the debate.

The bias was obvious, but it really doesn't matter with Trump's lousy performance. Trump was going to be perceived as the loser with or without Holt. This had to happen after the Lauer debate, and I wouldn't be surprised if the pendulum swung back the other way in the upcoming debate.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Just Trump being Trump. He can't help himself.

 

[Danke]

Miss Piggy:

Miss Universe 'fat-shamed' by Donald Trump was accused of threatening to kill a judge and being an accomplice to a MURDER bid in her native Venezuela
Alicia Machado, from Venezuela, was Miss Universe in 1996 when Donald Trump bought the franchise for the contest
She was spoken about at Monday night debate by Hillary Clinton who told how Donald Trump had called her 'Miss Piggy' because of weight gain
But reports from the time have surfaced which reveal questions over her background in Venezuela
Court documents in 1998 revealed she was accused of driving her boyfriend from the scene of a murder attempt - at a woman's funeral
A judge also claimed on national television that she threatened his life
Unknown if Clinton campaign vetted Machado, 39, before debate and conference call with press on Tuesday which was almost all in Spanish

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[jmdrake]

I thought Clinton lobbed him the perfect softball, but he totally whiffed on it. She was doing some tough talk on cyber-warfare and getting tough with Russia.

Would have been the easiest time to say, "Really, Hillary? With all of your email troubles, do you think anyone is really going to trust you with cyber-security?" Would have made the news and played over and over. He didn't even swing on it.

^This! A thousand times this! How the hell can Hillary Clinton of all people talk about cyber security? Trump should have said "Well don't hire the people who set up your private email server to do the job and don't click on any more porn links" and the crowd would have gone wild! But no. Instead he talks about how the attack could have been some "400 pound hacker?" What the hell?

 

[jmdrake]

Trump having to debate both Hillary and lester Holt, threw him off his balance towards the end. I do not think anyone including Trump expected Holt to be the most biased moderator in the history of Presidential debates. I know it is NBC but in this case who would have thought Holt would tarnish all he has built for himself as a fair serious journalist.

That all went out the window last night. The left will take care of him for now until they are done with him but his place in history and his character will be forever sadly defined by his bias in last nights debate.

I agree with you that Lester Holt was incredibly biased. I disagree with you that Trump shouldn't have been expecting that. But yes. Holt's attack in the form of a question (Since you supported the Iraq war doesn't that mean your judgement is as bad as Hillary's?) was unfair. That said, why wasn't Trump prepared for that one? And Rand should have called Trump on it during the GOP debates. No place except on planet Trump could Trump saying "Yeah I guess so" to the question "Should we go into Iraq" square up with Trump's claim that "I was against the war from the beginning." Trump's comeback should have been "I gave a half hearted answer to a question from Howard Stern because it looked like we were going to war anyway and I didn't want the brave troops to think I didn't support them. But Hillary Clinton is the one who cheered on the war and voted for it. She's also the one who has cheered on the Al Qaeda linked rebels in Syria."

Seriously, I didn't once here Trump raise the point that the rebels Obama/Clinton/McCain are supporting in Syria are linked to Al Qaeda. Instead he went with the discredit and stupid republican view that ISIS came along because Obama pulled out early. Bull. Obama didn't pull out a day before Bush had negotiated us to pull out. According to Ted Cruz we stayed in Iraq too long! ISIS exists because we took out Qaddafi in Libya and we destablized Assad in Syria.

 

[jmdrake]

Miss Piggy:

Miss Universe 'fat-shamed' by Donald Trump was accused of threatening to kill a judge and being an accomplice to a MURDER bid in her native Venezuela
Alicia Machado, from Venezuela, was Miss Universe in 1996 when Donald Trump bought the franchise for the contest
She was spoken about at Monday night debate by Hillary Clinton who told how Donald Trump had called her 'Miss Piggy' because of weight gain
But reports from the time have surfaced which reveal questions over her background in Venezuela
Court documents in 1998 revealed she was accused of driving her boyfriend from the scene of a murder attempt - at a woman's funeral
A judge also claimed on national television that she threatened his life
Unknown if Clinton campaign vetted Machado, 39, before debate and conference call with press on Tuesday which was almost all in Spanish

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-MURDER-native-Venezuela.html#ixzz4LX1Jbse9
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She is kinda chubby. I watched her on CNN last night. They only showed her from the neck up. It's funny that she kept saying "What happened 20 years ago doesn't matter" but then kept complaining about what Trump did 20 years ago. Strange.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Trump tried to tone it down. Hillary and her team did their homework. They knew how to bait Trump. Amateur politicians often have this problem. They take questions at face value and attempt to answer them, which makes them easy to manipulate and lead around.

Professional politicians dismiss quickly when set-up and change the subject. Really good politicians can turn it around. Being defensive and dwelling on it is a losing strategy, and they trapped Trump like that over and over.

I agree.