Detroit Police Kill Seven-Year-Old Child During No-Knock Early A.M. Raid

[angelatc]

If a cop is treating you respectfully, there is no reason to behave like an asshole. There are a few good cops out there and they should not pay for the transgressions of their rotten colleagues. Fairness cuts all ways.

Oh yes, the homeowner was far too drunk to act rationally. He was practically begging to escalate the episode. The music was turned down, the cop was reassured that it wouldn't get turned up again, and he left.

Whew.

 

[angelatc]

I wasn't home, I was in metro Detroit. My husband was home and the cop showed up at 5:30 in the morning looking for my eldest son. My son was at a friends house and on his way home he swerved to miss hitting a deer and ran his car off the road. Around the block from where my son ran off the road there was a party going on and loud music blaring so the cop assumed my son was at said party and had been drinking because he saw something spilled on the dash of the car and told my husband that my son was drunk driving and smashed up his car. The damage to the front fender of my son's car was done over the winter when he slid on ice and hit a tree. A state trooper helped my son get his car back on the road when this happened. The cop thought my husband was hiding my son in the house, which he wasn't, as my son just went back to his friends house and they were going to get the car in the morning. Cop wanted to come in the house my husband told him NO to stay outside and he would be right back with his drivers license to show the cop. Cop said he was coming in and came in thru the garage door anyways. Our garage is attached to our house and this is the only way in or out of the house. It's a small one car garage that we use as our laundry room and storage.

When I got home last night from being downstate, I took my son into the police station as that was the only way they would release his car, the cop accused him of spilling beer on his dash board when he went into the ditch and said he could smell alcohol, beer specifically, coming from the car. My son tried to explain to the officer that it wasn't beer that it was Sprite from the can of pop he had in the car that went flying when he swerved. Dash board and windshield were all sticky still when we went to get his belongings out of the car this morning. No new damage was on the car. My son was ticketed for property damage and careless driving. The only damage that there was was bark scraped off the tree where the car hit when it was drug out by the tow truck.

We took pictures of the car and where the car went off the road. The cop has a reputation for being over aggressive.

What a dick. (not you, of course)

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

You did in the other thread. You told a Mom who lost custody of her child because she stood up against the state that it was her fault for living in the state, which is absolutely a cruel thing to say.


There's really no excuse for what you said to her - you're right about that.

I did not tell a Mom who lost custody that it was her fault for living in the state.

I stated it sounded like she was complaining about the state regulating and intervening for something she voluntarily gave them permission to do.

It has nothing to do with where she lives. It has everything to do with who she has chosen to contract with.... the state.

Let's consider the unthinkable for a moment. Let's say you and I met and after flirting we talked about having sex. I might suggest we draw up a contract between us to discuss the terms of orgasm.

I might have an interest in the health of my body and want you to stipulate you are free of disease.
I might have an interest in the outcome of sex that might produce pregnancy.
I might want to stipulate terms for pregnancy disposition or guardianship.
I might want to appoint a neutral arbitrator to enforce our contract.

Fortunately for me I don't have to worry about this theoretical sexual encounter because the moment I started talking about a contract you are going to think I am crazy and move a few seats down the bar. However just because you think I am crazy for not wanting to leave such matters up to the jurisdiction of courts who can decide matters subjectively does not make me less responsible.

If you and I we're to get married I might want to contract with you to clarify the terms of a religious partnership instead of leaving the creation of terms to others.

 

[angelatc]

I did not tell a Mom who lost custody that it was her fault for living in the state.

I stated it sounded like she was complaining about the state regulating and intervening for something she voluntarily gave them permission to do.

It has nothing to do with where she lives. It has everything to do with who she has chosen to contract with.... the state.

Let's consider the unthinkable for a moment. Let's say you and I met and after flirting we talked about having sex. I might suggest we draw up a contract between us to discuss the terms of orgasm.

I might have an interest in the health of my body and want you to stipulate you are free of disease.
I might have an interest in the outcome of sex that might produce pregnancy.
I might want to stipulate terms for pregnancy disposition or guardianship.
I might want to appoint a neutral arbitrator to enforce our contract.

Fortunately for me I don't have to worry about this theoretical sexual encounter because the moment I started talking about a contract you are going to think I am crazy and move a few seats down the bar. However just because you think I am crazy for not wanting to leave such matters up to the jurisdiction of courts who can decide matters subjectively does not make me less responsible.

If you and I we're to get married I might want to contract with you to clarify the terms of a religious partnership instead of leaving deciding to leave the creation of terms to others.

You live in an imaginary world, and I can assure you that if I were 25 years younger, you still would sound like a loony. She got married, she got divorced, the court is now involved, and you told her that it's her fault the state took her kid away. Go piss up a rope.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

You live in an imaginary world, and I can assure you that if I were 25 years younger, you still would sound like a loony. She got married, she got divorced, the court is now involved, and you told her that it's her fault the state took her kid away. Go piss up a rope.

You can think I live in an imaginary world all you want but it will not change the fact the entire legal system of the United States is contract rooted in Constitutional compacts.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm watching Detroit as the "Canary in the Coal mine", It is an example of the worst policies and conditions. And it will likely be the first to explode.

I am glad to be far enough away. It may well serve as an early warning of things to come.

I had thought "NO Knock" was illegal in Michigan. Apparently that has changed too.

I suppose in some alternate cop universe, they view a grenade chucked in your window as a "knock".

 

[Anti Federalist]

DING DING DING We have a winner folks. Who wants to bet the cop will still be given an award for heroism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/17/AR2010051700703.html?sub=AR

From the article quoted:

Police have said officers threw a flash grenade through the first-floor window of the two-family home, and that an officer's gun discharged, killing the girl, during a struggle or after colliding with the girl's grandmother inside the home.

But Fieger said the video shows an officer lobbing the grenade and then shooting into the home from the porch.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation."

"Aiyana Jones was shot from outside on the porch. The videotape shows clearly the officer throwing through the window a stun grenade-type explosive and then within milliseconds of throwing that, firing a shot from outside the home," he said.

 

[jclay2]

I suppose in some alternate cop universe, they view a grenade chucked in your window as a "knock".

Actually, they were quite courteous. This time they only used a flash grenade. Must have downgraded from the real thing to compensate them for the early morning wake up.

 

[Lesa Dawn]

How about establishing a neighborhood copwatch? Cops some in, everyone goes to the scene with cameras. It really is well past due time to put an end to this sort of behavior.

Great idea! We could do mobile cop watches complete with police scanners and video cameras. I'll sign up for my neighborhood.

 

[Lesa Dawn]

This case boils my blood. There is absolutely NO reason for this pretty little girl to be dead. She was sleeping near her grandmother in her own home, she should have been safe. Instead she was burned and shot.

I am old enough to remember when the police motto used to be "to serve and PROTECT". Cops know the risks when they join the force. NEVER should civilian lives be jeopardized for the safety of the police. They chose to assume the risks, she did not.

Remember Columbine and the cops who waited around an hour to go in? They "only" had guns and bullet proof vests and the students and teachers only had tables and doors to hide behind. The hero teacher who gave his life to save his students when the cops whose job it was stayed outside.

Or the story in the news recently about the college kids who rescued the drowning woman when police on site refused to help saying it wasn't their job. Their job apparently was to hold back the crowd lest anyone jump in and save her.