Detroit Police Kill Seven-Year-Old Child During No-Knock Early A.M. Raid

[Paulitical Correctness]

I have little faith in honorable law enforcement.

Numbers are growing daily...

The "Fuck the police" crowd isn't just for "silly anarchists" anymore.

 

[Elle]

I guess it's shoot first ask questions later.

What do you do when you tell a cop to stay outside and he tells you he is coming in and does so? This happened at my house over the weekend.

 

[angelatc]

I guess it's shoot first ask questions later.

What do you do when you tell a cop to stay outside and he tells you he is coming in and does so? This happened at my house over the weekend.

What was his excuse? Did he suspect somebody was in danger?

If he doesn't have a warrant, about all you can do is turn on the video camera. Never open the door if you aren't expecting company.

 

[Bruno]

What was his excuse? Did he suspect somebody was in danger?

If he doesn't have a warrant, about all you can do is turn on the video camera. Never open the door if you aren't expecting company.

I was in a house a long time ago at 6 am (late party) and six or seven cops just let themselves in the unlocked back door. They said there was a report of "shots fired" from the house we were in and were doing a safety check. Without a warrant, they proceeded to search the house. They were probably really looking for drugs, none of which were found. We didn't even have a radio on at the time. If there would have been shots fired within a one-block radius on that quiet morning, we would have heard them. It was just a lie to enter a suspected drug house.

 

[wildturkey]

I was in a house a long time ago at 6 am (late party) and six or seven cops just let themselves in the unlocked back door. They said there was a report of "shots fired" from the house we were in and were doing a safety check. Without a warrant, they proceeded to search the house. They were probably really looking for drugs, none of which were found. We didn't even have a radio on at the time. If there would have been shots fired within a one-block radius on that quiet morning, we would have heard them. It was just a lie to enter a suspected drug house.

I had a similar situation in high school. We had a small party going on, and the cops showed up. We refused to let them inside without a warrant and so they threatened to start towing cars! We finally had to let them in and all that was found was beer. We poured it out and that was then end of it. Still bullshit.

 

[wildturkey]

DING DING DING We have a winner folks. Who wants to bet the cop will still be given an award for heroism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/17/AR2010051700703.html?sub=AR

 

[angelatc]

I was in a house a long time ago at 6 am (late party) and six or seven cops just let themselves in the unlocked back door. They said there was a report of "shots fired" from the house we were in and were doing a safety check. Without a warrant, they proceeded to search the house. They were probably really looking for drugs, none of which were found. We didn't even have a radio on at the time. If there would have been shots fired within a one-block radius on that quiet morning, we would have heard them. It was just a lie to enter a suspected drug house.

That's why you should keep your doors locked. I was at a party once where the radio was far too loud, and the cops showed up just to ask the homeowner to turn it down.

It's hard to visualize, but this was in Florida, and they has these frosted glass jalousie windows along the whole side of his house. The cop knocked on the door and asked nicely if we could turn down the music, and the drunken homeowner started bellowing things like "You can't come in! I know my rights!" and cranked the window shut. It was like the cop disappeared in front of our eyes. Of course, the cop tried to come in, causing my friend to bellow about warrants and rights...

So the cop moved down to the next window to peek in, and my friend cranked that one shut. This went on about 10 times - all the way down the side of the house, around the corner to the back door.

Fortunately one of us was sober enough to turn the music down and placate the officer through the glass before the SWAT team showed up.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Detroit is already beyond broke. Karma would have this cop putting a bullet in his own brain.

You make a comment like that but if I point out failures of monopoly in justice it is anarchist bullshit? I don't get it Angela...

 

[angelatc]

You make a comment like that but if I point out failures of monopoly in justice it is anarchist bullshit? I don't get it Angela...

The difference here is that I'm not blaming the parents for what happened.

 

[pcosmar]

You make a comment like that but if I point out failures of monopoly in justice it is anarchist bullshit? I don't get it Angela...

No,
It is called Honor in some places.

The Operative: You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.

A concept that is long forgotten.

 

[angelatc]

No,
It is called Honor in some places.


A concept that is long forgotten.

I think you're probably right. I can accept that people make mistakes, even cops. It's the absolute refusal to admit to them and / or take responsibility for them that makes them intolerable.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

The difference here is that I'm not blaming the parents for what happened.

So if I pointed out a long standing history of Police abuse or corruption in Detroit and faulted people for tolerating and/or supporting it that would be anarchist bullshit?

 

[angelatc]

So if I pointed out a long standing history of Police abuse or corruption in Detroit and faulted people for tolerating and/or supporting it that would be anarchist bullshit?

If you told the parents of a dead child that it was actually their fault for merely living in society, I'd hire somebody to kick your ignorant, loud-mouthed anarchist ass. Just so you're clear.

Then I'd laugh when you didn't call the police, because you don't believe in them.

 

[osan]

I guess it's shoot first ask questions later.

It's been that way for nearly 30 years.

What do you do when you tell a cop to stay outside and he tells you he is coming in and does so? This happened at my house over the weekend.

My impulse response is to tell you to look and see if he's alone and if he comes in put a bullet in his head. Of course that would almost certainly get you a sentence of death-by-cop, so it's not the practical solution.

ALWAYS have a recording/video device at hand, preferably a disguised one. Have it on the moment a cop is anywhere within 100' of your home, just in case. If he says he is coming in, ask to see his warrant. If he ignores you and enters, make sure you record every second of it and follow him anywhere he goes in the house.

If he has a buddy with him and they hold you at gunpoint when you protest, make sure you get vids of that. Then when they leave, make copies, upload them to youtube and send them to EVERYONE you know, as well as the local news agencies. Then go to your local prosecutor with the evidence and swear out a complaint and tell them you want to press charges. Apprise them of the fact that the video is all over the network. If that doesn't get their attention, talk to a lawyer.

How about establishing a neighborhood copwatch? Cops some in, everyone goes to the scene with cameras. It really is well past due time to put an end to this sort of behavior.

 

[Mini-Me]

I think you're probably right. I can accept that people make mistakes, even cops. It's the absolute refusal to admit to them and / or take responsibility for them that makes them intolerable.

That, and there's a difference between "making a mistake" and shooting a seven-year old girl in the neck through a window. Sure, they probably didn't realize it was a seven-year-old girl, but even that doesn't really make it better; you have to be insane or completely criminal to just open fire on ANYONE you see in the window of a home.

"Making a mistake" only applies when a cop is involuntarily thrown into an unexpected high-tension situation, where he has little time to assess what's going on, and a suspect is making sudden movements that legitimately look like reaching for a deadly weapon. Even then, I would have serious trouble believing the word of ANY cop who didn't immediately and voluntarily resign after accidentally killing someone he didn't have to.

 

[angelatc]

That, and there's a difference between "making a mistake" and shooting a seven-year old girl in the neck through a window. Sure, they probably didn't realize it was a seven-year-old girl, but even that doesn't really make it better; you have to be insane or completely criminal to just open fire on ANYONE you see in the window of a home.

Absolutely. And if you or I had done it, we'd go to prison for a long, long time. But the police do it, and they call it sad but necessary to protect themselves.

 

[osan]

That's why you should keep your doors locked. I was at a party once where the radio was far too loud, and the cops showed up just to ask the homeowner to turn it down./quote]

If a cop is treating you respectfully, there is no reason to behave like an asshole. There are a few good cops out there and they should not pay for the transgressions of their rotten colleagues. Fairness cuts all ways.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

If you told the parents of a dead child that it was actually their fault for merely living in society,

Did I state that? Did I state anything like that? Did I state anything reasonably close to that? No.

I stated if I pointed out long standing abuse or corruption that was tolerated and supported whose fault is it. That has nothing to do with remedy.

No one believes they can be a victim until it happens to them. Someone like you would go around preaching bullshit like that. I am not because people have already preached it a million times.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

I'd hire somebody to kick your ignorant, loud-mouthed anarchist ass. Just so you're clear.

Feel better?

Then I'd laugh when you didn't call the police, because you don't believe in them.

I would recommend hiring them to kill me. Punks in my neighborhood do not steal from me anymore because the ones that have know they are free to call the police after I recover my shit in a manner that is not pleasing to them.

 

[Elle]

What was his excuse? Did he suspect somebody was in danger?

If he doesn't have a warrant, about all you can do is turn on the video camera. Never open the door if you aren't expecting company.

I wasn't home, I was in metro Detroit. My husband was home and the cop showed up at 5:30 in the morning looking for my eldest son. My son was at a friends house and on his way home he swerved to miss hitting a deer and ran his car off the road. Around the block from where my son ran off the road there was a party going on and loud music blaring so the cop assumed my son was at said party and had been drinking because he saw something spilled on the dash of the car and told my husband that my son was drunk driving and smashed up his car. The damage to the front fender of my son's car was done over the winter when he slid on ice and hit a tree. A state trooper helped my son get his car back on the road when this happened. The cop thought my husband was hiding my son in the house, which he wasn't, as my son just went back to his friends house and they were going to get the car in the morning. Cop wanted to come in the house my husband told him NO to stay outside and he would be right back with his drivers license to show the cop. Cop said he was coming in and came in thru the garage door anyways. Our garage is attached to our house and this is the only way in or out of the house. It's a small one car garage that we use as our laundry room and storage.

When I got home last night from being downstate, I took my son into the police station as that was the only way they would release his car, the cop accused him of spilling beer on his dash board when he went into the ditch and said he could smell alcohol, beer specifically, coming from the car. My son tried to explain to the officer that it wasn't beer that it was Sprite from the can of pop he had in the car that went flying when he swerved. Dash board and windshield were all sticky still when we went to get his belongings out of the car this morning. No new damage was on the car. My son was ticketed for property damage and careless driving. The only damage that there was was bark scraped off the tree where the car hit when it was drug out by the tow truck.

We took pictures of the car and where the car went off the road. The cop has a reputation for being over aggressive.

 

[angelatc]

Did I state that? Did I state anything like that? Did I state anything reasonably close to that? No.

You did in the other thread. You told a Mom who lost custody of her child because she stood up against the state that it was her fault for living in the state, which is absolutely a cruel thing to say.

I stated if I pointed out long standing abuse or corruption that was tolerated and supported whose fault is it. That has nothing to do with remedy.

No one believes they can be a victim until it happens to them. Someone like you would go around preaching bullshit like that. I am not because people have already preached it a million times.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

There's really no excuse for what you said to her - you're right about that.