DeSantis beats Trump in 2024 presidential straw poll

[enhanced_deficit]

Doubt anyone saw this coming...
So called "settler's man" is now inching ahead of political heavy weight MAGA movement's leader who was the most popular leader among conservatives until 3D mishap few months ago:


DeSantis tops Trump in 2024 presidential straw poll
By Tal Axelrod - 06/21/21

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) ran narrowly ahead of former President Trump in a straw poll of potential 2024 candidates in a survey conducted over the weekend at the Western Conservative Summit in Denver.

Of attendees who responded to the survey, 74.12 percent said they would approve of DeSantis for president in three years, compared with 71.43 percent who said the same of Trump. DeSantis won 275 votes, while Trump got 265.

The duo had wide leads over the rest of the sprawling field, with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) coming in third at 42.86 percent approval.
DeSantis leads Trump by narrow margin in straw poll

The poll underscores DeSantis’s popularity with the GOP’s conservative base.

Still, Trump would be a juggernaut if he ran for president in three years and would likely clear much of the primary field.

Neither DeSantis nor Trump has officially declared intentions for 2024, but the former president has teased a third bid for president.

“I'm absolutely enthused. I look forward to doing an announcement at the right time,” he said last month. “As you know, it's very early. But I think people are going to be very, very happy when I make a certain announcement.”

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/559382-desantis-tops-trump-in-2024-presidential-straw-poll

 

[69360]

DeSantis could win the general election. Trump can't. The GOP will have to decide if they want to be relevant or not. The policy is fairly similar for both, DeSantis is Trump without the loudmouth and embarrassment.

 

[devil21]

DeSantis is being set up as anointed GOP nominee. These people are selected years in advance and engineered into the position, thanks to media and threads like this.

Media creates the persona, straw polls held by idiots (or even faked entirely) show the programming is working, threads are created displaying this false popularity, more idiots jump on bandwagon, reinforced by more and more media propaganda faking how popular the selected person is, eventually selected person becomes the next "electable candidate" and once again the idiots have fallen for the same okey-doke they did last election. It's how rich CIA oil tycoons, neocon warmongers, Mormon vulture capitalists and liberal NYC billionaires somehow become "standard-bearers" of evangelical conservatives.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

It's because of Trump's pro vax bullshit. He is badly out of step with his base on one very big issue, and though they clap loud they remember it.

 

[bv3]

DeSantis is being set up as anointed GOP nominee. These people are selected years in advance and engineered into the position, thanks to media and threads like this.

Media creates the persona, straw polls held by idiots (or even faked entirely) show the programming is working, threads are created displaying this false popularity, more idiots jump on bandwagon, reinforced by more and more media propaganda faking how popular the selected person is, eventually selected person becomes the next "electable candidate" and once again the idiots have fallen for the same okey-doke they did last election. It's how rich CIA oil tycoons, neocon warmongers, Mormon vulture capitalists and liberal NYC billionaires somehow become "standard-bearers" of evangelical conservatives.

social media also gives metrics on the efficacy of propaganda campaigns. Media will anoint as always.

 

[devil21]

social media also gives metrics on the efficacy of propaganda campaigns. Media will anoint as always.

Yep. That's what the Cambridge Analytica thing was really about. It's exceedingly easy for them to data mine what stuff each idiot party wants to hear then give it to them. They're being really obvious about it this time around. There are threads praising Catholic Zionist Jesuit DeSantis on other forums. It's easy to see that the threads are 95% shill posts pushing "President DeSantis". The few posts that call him out as another wolf-in-sheeps-clothing are entirely ignored.

 

[jmdrake]

*sigh* It seems Rand has gotten little mileage out of nearly single handedly destroying the Fauci mystique. He beat Donald Trump Jr. and Mike Pence at least.

 

[Invisible Man]

This is a weird poll and the results are fishy.

It didn't ask who your favorite was. It only asked whom you merely approve of for president, allowing you to vote for multiple people (as many as you want, as far as I can tell). That's a pretty low bar to set for any Republican candidate in a poll of Republicans. The 70+% that the top two candidates is a low number given that context. And beyond those two, not a single candidate even got close to a majority.

Rand's 28% is abysmal if that really means that 72% of Republicans hate him so much they wouldn't even approve of his being the party's candidate.

Granted, the poll participants may not have taken the question the same way I'm taking it, and they probably neglected to vote for candidates that they really would approve of in order to do their part in making sure that the support their favorite candidates received wouldn't get too watered down.

But still, if the poll results are even close to accurate for what the poll actually literally says, then this is bad news for the GOP.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hwqi2nxc...iA3a?dl=0&preview=Approval+Voting+Results.pdf

 

[jmdrake]

This is a weird poll and the results are fishy.

It didn't ask who your favorite was. It only asked whom you merely approve of for president, allowing you to vote for multiple people (as many as you want, as far as I can tell). That's a pretty low bar to set for any Republican candidate in a poll of Republicans. The 70+% that the top two candidates is a low number given that context. And beyond those two, not a single candidate even got close to a majority.

Rand's 28% is abysmal if that really means that 72% of Republicans hate him so much they wouldn't even approve of his being the party's candidate.

Granted, the poll participants may not have taken the question the same way I'm taking it, and they probably neglected to vote for candidates that they really would approve of in order to do their part in making sure that the support their favorite candidates received wouldn't get too watered down.

But still, if the poll results are even close to accurate for what the poll actually literally says, then this is bad news for the GOP.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hwqi2nxc...iA3a?dl=0&preview=Approval+Voting+Results.pdf

Wow! I didn't even think of that. Yeah...this is pretty depressing. I know straw polls are meaningless and all...but it's still depressing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Why the "thumbs down" in the OP?

Desantis seems pretty rock solid to me at first glance.

I'd support him in 2024.

 

[jmdrake]

Why the "thumbs down" in the OP?

Desantis seems pretty rock solid to me at first glance.

I'd support him in 2024.

I dunno about the OP. But I hate how bad Rand did. I wouldn't mind DeSantis being ahead of Rand. But Tim Scott? Tom Cotton? Mike Pompeo? Kristi Noem? And without the Rand takedown of Fauci the GOP would still be the "anti science fringe." No love from that? That's really the biggest story of the year and he gets no mileage? And I like Tim Scott. I'm okay with Kristi Noem. (I can't stand Pompeo and I despise Tom Cotton).

 

[Anti Federalist]

I dunno about the OP. But I hate how bad Rand did. I wouldn't mind DeSantis being ahead of Rand. But Tim Scott? Tom Cotton? Mike Pompeo? Kristi Noem? And without the Rand takedown of Fauci the GOP would still be the "anti science fringe." No love from that? That's really the biggest story of the year and he gets no mileage? And I like Tim Scott. I'm okay with Kristi Noem. (I can't stand Pompeo and I despise Tom Cotton).

I have no idea what Rand's problem is with regard to "likeability".

Agreed, I would have love to have seen him do better, and he did singlehandedly burn down the cult of Fauchi, which was sorely needed.

But something in him seems to trigger people for some reason, especially the Marxist mob, who are always calling for his head on a pike, literally.

The hate they throw at him is incredible.

 

[oyarde]

I dunno about the OP. But I hate how bad Rand did. I wouldn't mind DeSantis being ahead of Rand. But Tim Scott? Tom Cotton? Mike Pompeo? Kristi Noem? And without the Rand takedown of Fauci the GOP would still be the "anti science fringe." No love from that? That's really the biggest story of the year and he gets no mileage? And I like Tim Scott. I'm okay with Kristi Noem. (I can't stand Pompeo and I despise Tom Cotton).

I found the Pompeo thing disturbing, on the bright side , biden , harris and sanders were also on the conservative poll and didnt do well .

 

[oyarde]

I find Rand , Pence and Noem being in the 20 to 30 percent encouraging , within striking distance of Pompeo , LOL.

 

[Invisible Man]

Notice that Ted Cruz is the only senator who beat Rand [Edit: my mistake, Tom Cotton also beat Rand, but just barely].

I'm guessing that the Senate is not in the good graces of the poll participants because the Senate voted to count the electoral college votes that were certified by the states this past January. Candidates who were not in the Senate at that time do not have that mark against them.

Ted Cruz at least voted to sustain the objections to the electoral college votes of Arizona and Pennsylvania. So he may be seen as someone who tried to fight the Biden nomination at that stage. But Rand didn't even do that much, which means that in Trumpers' eyes, he's a traitor. They don't care about Rand's opposition to Fauci. They care about his disloyalty to Trump. [Edit: the same point would apply to Cotton.]

I think a lesser matter that also comes into play is Rand's insufficient support of cops/insufficient opposition to BLM.

He is also probably seen as too pro-immigration.

[Edit again: My bad. Tim Scott too. I need more coffee. I'm not sure if any part of this post can be salvaged anymore. I think I'm still not far off the mark though.]

 

[oyarde]

Probably the most interesting thing was the items of interest for likely voters for the next election that drew around 70 percent ( more than candidates).

 

[Anti Federalist]

And I like Tim Scott.

Speaking of, what do you think of some of the other up and coming black conservatives like Burgess Owens, Herschel Walker, Candace Owens, Kimberly Klacik and others I can't recall right now?

 

[Invisible Man]

Probably the most interesting thing was the items of interest for likely voters for the next election that drew around 70 percent ( more than candidates).

Where do you see those?

 

[oyarde]

Where do you see those?

i think i posted those at 70 percent or more in open discussion , you were right about dirty immigrants leading the way at 82 percent.

 

[oyarde]

Two of the more encouraging items were firearms rights and spending . Just when I'd given up hope for humanity they lured me back in for a glimmer of a moment.