"Democrat Dictator" tries to ban me from sidewalk @ GOP debate

[DadaOrwell]

In 1992, during the Bosnian war, I was in a semi-restricted area near the front line around Čapljina. Where the Croat faction leaders had the concentration camp for Muslims. I was caught interviewing a Muslim civilian, by unhappy Croat HVO militia. The guys who rounded up Muslims for the camps. You could say this was a tenser situation, where the right to record was in more question and my questioners had almost infinite power where they stood. I could have been shot right there with no major repercussions. And I hadn't paid for the right-of-way I was standing on LOL.

But these possible war criminals were more laid back and nicer to me than the aspiring tyrant in this vid, and what they had to say to me was more constructive than what I'm hearing from some of the Stokholm-syndromers on this board.

Criticism is important to share. But if the movement's tent is big enough to welcome folks who oppose the exercise of basic human rights...freedom to run our cameras and stand on our sidewalks without having the police called down on us....Maybe that tent is getting too big.

 

[DadaOrwell]

whoops sorry... accidentally posted same message twice.

 

[Lothario]

Criticism is important to share. But if the movement's tent is big enough to welcome folks who oppose the exercise of basic human rights...freedom to run our cameras and stand on our sidewalks without having the police called down on us....Maybe that tent is getting too big.

Come on, you know that's a straw man. NO ONE here has criticized your ability to "run cameras and stand on sidewalks" - run 50 cameras and bring 100 friends to stand on the sidewalk if you want. Who cares. What every critic here has addressed, is your ability to be an asshole.

If someone tells you to stop exercising a basic human right, you can ignore them, you can explain to them how they are wrong (convert them), you can respond with force if they initiate it, and yes, of course you can be an asshole if they persist. But once they back down, DROP IT. Move on! And if you post a video afterwards hoping to show how debate volunteers are reacting worse than Croatian HVO militia against you, but instead, a large group of viewers say you actually come off as the real asshole, and therefore we feel it hurts the cause more than it helps - bury your pride, accept what the market says about your product, and take the necessary action to stop hurting the cause. Or stick to your guns, whatever, but at least recognize and accept the real target of everyone's opposition without hiding behind these straw men "the movement opposes the exercise of basic human rights," - no, they oppose assholes, and especially ones that are associated with Ron Paul.

 

[Edward]

Criticism is important to share. But if the movement's tent is big enough to welcome folks who oppose the exercise of basic human rights...freedom to run our cameras and stand on our sidewalks without having the police called down on us....Maybe that tent is getting too big.

Yeah, that's a bullshit answer and you know it.

 

[kylejack]

Yeah, that's a bullshit answer and you know it.

No it isn't, and the fact that some here describe filming someone in public from a respectable distance as "sticking a camera in someone's face" shows that they're willing to use the language of the authoritarians to state their position.

 

[Edward]

No it isn't, and the fact that some here describe filming someone in public from a respectable distance as "sticking a camera in someone's face" shows that they're willing to use the language of the authoritarians to state their position.

Yes, it is bullshit. Reasonable people understand that "the exercise of basic human rights" does not mean that you MUST exercise those rights in every context. Ridley could have easily avoided escalating the conflict, so characterizing those who disagree with his handling of the issue as anti-liberty or authoritarian - and thereby somehow harming the movement - is an ironic way to divert attention from his own faulty understanding and application of the issue.

 

[Zippyjuan]

To me, the guy at fault is the guy behind the camera. He wanted his right respected to be able to be there (which was) but he did not respect the rights of the other person there who was polite in all of his actions and also politely asked not to be filmed. Things like this can cast a negative light on Ron Paul supporters as being selfish and rude. It is not helpful to the campaign.

 

[kylejack]

To me, the guy at fault is the guy behind the camera. He wanted his right respected to be able to be there (which was) but he did not respect the rights of the other person there who was polite in all of his actions and also politely asked not to be filmed.

Well, that's because filming in public is a right (in most circumstances) while not being filmed in public is not a right. A person who doesn't want to be filmed shouldn't leave their house, because they're likely to be filmed by dozens of surveillance cameras.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

The guy with the camera is being the real asshole. You're making all these subjective judgments on the guy like "smug" in order to justify harrassing this man. Do you treat salesmen the same way just because they're doing a job that isn't so popular? Do you treat them like tyrants? It doesn't make any sense to harrass someone like they're part of the state when they're not.

Do you treat your grandmother like that because she asks you to do something you don't want to do out of common courtesy? Do you treat her like that when she doesn't necessarily understand liiberty the way you and I do? I encourage everyone to take the path of kindness, even toward teh ignorant. This guy obviously has the opposite strategy. See how far that gets you.

So take your own advice.

"Take the path of kindness" and stop calling fellow members of the Liberty movement with a proven track record "assholes".

 

[aGameOfThrones]

LOL

Democrat Volunteer: I don't want you to film me... even though I'm asking you with 3 news cameras behind me.