"Democrat Dictator" tries to ban me from sidewalk @ GOP debate

[kylejack]

It's called having respect for other people's privacy. Sure, you don't have the expectaiton of complete privacy in public, but you do expect privacy to some extent, don't you?

No, I don't expect any privacy in public, because there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public.

 

[Lothario]

Ridley was harassed by someone who thought he owned the sidewalk, and it he *apparently* harassed the harasser back in revenge. But, until Ridley specifically says he did it for revenge I don't see why we can't give him the benefit of the doubt. While Ridley *may* have been an asshole may may not have been (as a justified revenge), we know the Democrat there certainly was being an asshole and NEVER apologized to Ridley.

get over yourself and stop encouraging people to be retaliatory divisive children. someone with a higher IQ could have seen this as an opportunity to peacefully present the case for liberty, and even demonstrate by example. on the contrary, someone as short-sighted and infantile as Ridley saw it as an opportunity to fight and encourage increased aggression with "what are you gonna do about it, you gonna stop me?" And worse yet, his actions were associated with Ron Paul.

From inside the Ron Paul liberty movement - his actions are totally inexcusable and unjustifiable from any angle.

 

[kylejack]

get over yourself and stop encouraging people to be retaliatory divisive children. someone with a higher IQ could have seen this as an opportunity to peacefully present the case for liberty, and even demonstrate by example. on the contrary, someone as short-sighted and infantile as Ridley saw it as an opportunity to fight and foster increased aggression with "what are you gonna do about it, you gonna stop me?"

What does 'aggression' mean in your world?

 

[Lothario]

What does 'aggression' mean in your world?

ag·gres·sion
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noun
1.
what you are attempting to instigate when saying, "what are you gonna do about it, you gonna stop me?"

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Ridley reminds me of a nation putting sanctions on somebody "because they can"

 

[kylejack]

ag·gres·sion
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noun
1.
what you are attempting to instigate when saying, "what are you gonna do about it, you gonna stop me?"

So if Ridley "increased aggression" of the individual the individual was apparently already being aggressive. Sounds like he should be taught a lesson about the initiation of force.

 

[centure7]

get over yourself and stop encouraging people to be retaliatory divisive children. someone with a higher IQ could have seen this as an opportunity to peacefully present the case for liberty, and even demonstrate by example. on the contrary, someone as short-sighted and infantile as Ridley saw it as an opportunity to fight and encourage increased aggression with "what are you gonna do about it, you gonna stop me?" And worse yet, his actions were associated with Ron Paul.

From inside the Ron Paul liberty movement - his actions are totally inexcusable and unjustifiable from any angle.

If someone did an "I'm telling the police on you" routine yeah I'd be justified and excused to film them in public for a while. But you're right that it isn't the most intelligent thing to do and certainly it isn't something I've ever seen Dave Ridley do before. It seemed immature and certainly was a bad idea, but was not unjustified.

As for "get over yourself" I guess thats supposed to mean I'm arrogant because I give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise? I call it good rules for civility to assume the best of intentions until proven otherwise. So if you are so sure you know the motivations behind Ridley's recording, then share your proof. Until then I don't accept your guesswork as fact.

 

[Butchie]

So if Ridley "increased aggression" of the individual the individual was apparently already being aggressive. Sounds like he should be taught a lesson about the initiation of force.

Kyle, this is not about his "rights", yes, I'm sure, we'd all agree you have the right to be an asshole, to stick cameras in peoples faces and piss them off, to stand on a sidewalk and annoy people and creep them out, point is, does it reflect well on Ron Paul, does it make people want to look into him more, does it make people want to vote for him or does it send them running to another candidate? All we are saying is people need to think about those things, and, honestly, I don't prefer to be a jerk in the first place, election or no.

 

[Lothario]

So if Ridley "increased aggression" of the individual the individual was apparently already being aggressive. Sounds like he should be taught a lesson about the initiation of force.

Stop trying to twist reality.

Ridley was, to any rational person, initiating force by levying a threat against a person who had already made it clear he was wrong and had no desire to use force of any kind.

And if you have any interest in being a responsible, effective human being inside the liberty movement, you need to revise your understanding of "teaching a lessong about the initiation of force." The whole idea of civil disobedience is to hold a mirror up to aggression - not to mimic the aggression.

Stop encouraging division, and stop inviting aggression against Ron Paul, his movement, and his supporters.

 

[kylejack]

Kyle, this is not about his "rights", yes, I'm sure, we'd all agree you have the right to be an asshole, to stick cameras in peoples faces and piss them off, to stand on a sidewalk and annoy people and creep them out, point is, does it reflect well on Ron Paul, does it make people want to look into him more, does it make people want to vote for him or does it send them running to another candidate? All we are saying is people need to think about those things, and, honestly, I don't prefer to be a jerk in the first place, election or no.

Again with the "stick cameras in people's face" meme. Sticking something in someone's face is violating them. Filming them while standing in place is not sticking anything in their face.

 

[kylejack]

Stop trying to twist reality.

Ridley was, to any rational person, initiating force by levying a threat against a person who had already made it clear he was wrong and had no desire to use force of any kind.

What threat?! Asking him what he's going to do about it is not a threat of force of any kind.

 

[Edward]

Ridley reminds me of a nation putting sanctions on somebody "because they can"

Yeah, he reminded me of the sabre-rattling, escalation of rhetoric, and overreacting that Ron has warned about, but at the individual level.

 

[papitosabe]

everytime I see these guys vids, I think they are actually for another candidate...they act ignorant in several but try to come off as RP supporters, but are actually making us look bad.....and then they have there buddies come on here and say, wow, awesome, great, etc etc...I'm not buying it

 

[kylejack]

"Oh you're one of those Ron Paul people, First Amendment, Fourth Amendment..."

Yeah, that's right.

 

[centure7]

everytime I see these guys vids, I think they are actually for another candidate...they act ignorant in several but try to come off as RP supporters, but are actually making us look bad.....and then they have there buddies come on here and say, wow, awesome, great, etc etc...I'm not buying it

Dave Ridley is a professional news reporter. He was there to cover Ron Paul as a journalist, not wave a sign for him or represent him. This is obvious to anyone who watches the Ridley Report.

I challenge you to go through the Ridley Report and count the number of times he behaves like he did in the video in question. The idea that Ridley would do fantastic journalism for years but after one slightly botched story you will poop all over him is ridiculous. There are a lot of people coming to his defense here because they've seen the hundreds of quality stories he's done. And no, this won't be at the top of his portfolio but you should give credit where credit is due.

 

[NidStyles]

Dave Ridley is a professional news reporter. He was there to cover Ron Paul as a journalist, not wave a sign for him or represent him. This is obvious to anyone who watches the Ridley Report.

I challenge you to go through the Ridley Report and count the number of times he behaves like he did in the video in question. The idea that Ridley would do fantastic journalism for years but after one slightly botched story you will poop all over him is ridiculous. There are a lot of people coming to his defense here because they've seen the hundreds of quality stories he's done. And no, this won't be at the top of his portfolio but you should give credit where credit is due.

Most of the people attacking Ridley are not Ron Paul supporters or Liberty supporters in the first place. Not sure if you noticed but there are a lot of people here that are not in support of what this forum is meant to cover. You know Ron Paul and the Liberty movement. Oddly enough it seems most of those people that are not in support are the ones attacking Ridley.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Well, I posted a picture earlier of a lady entering the sidewalk without being checked for credentials. Furthermore, no barricade has been erected to close the sidewalk

We don't know when that lady entered the area, who she was, if she worked for the convention, or had a pass.

No, it wasn't refuted. This is a picture of the guy walking up to Ridley and flashing his credentials before telling him he can't be on the public sidewalk.

The audio tape is proof that he was recording the guy the whole time.

 

[kylejack]

The audio tape is proof that he was recording the guy the whole time.

Well okay, sure, passively. Ridley runs a tape recorder even when he's not running video. He gets in tangles with the law (unjustifiably) and likes to have a record of his life.

 

[Butchie]

Again with the "stick cameras in people's face" meme. Sticking something in someone's face is violating them. Filming them while standing in place is not sticking anything in their face.

OK Kyle, you just keep on with that, see how successful it is at getting new voters.

 

[kylejack]

OK Kyle, you just keep on with that, see how successful it is at getting new voters.

The liberty movement is a full-time campaign for me. It didn't end in 2008 and it won't end with this campaign either. Freedom of speech is an important principle.