Deep down, is Rand actually a true anarcho-capitalist? Either way is he still OK?

[TheTexan]

Damned anarchists... they're like roaches, man

 

[CCTelander]

That'd just be the worst. It would be awful. Doesn't matter if he's closing the IRS, NSA, etc... if you don't love the constitution you can get out!

Exactly. Worship the CONstitution or GTFO. Frickin' commie pinko anarchist freaks!

 

[mad cow]

Really. Who wants a president who would leave them the hell alone as much as possible as opposed to meddling in virtually every Spect of their lives? What fun would THAT be?

Christ! The an-cap hate around here REALLY gets old sometimes.

From the OP:

I used to wonder this about Ron Paul. After years of being suspicious about him I decided that yes, he is probably an An-Cap and only paying lip service to the anti-abortion groups, "border control" Nazis, constitution worshipers, and other forms of statists.

So who started it?The OP calls Strict Constitutionalists like Ron Paul Nazis and Statists and/or calls Ron Paul a liar who secretly supports abortions and hates the Constitution.

The Ron Paul hate around here by Anarchists really gets old sometimes.

 

[TheTexan]

From the OP:


So who started it?The OP calls Strict Constitutionalists like Ron Paul Nazis and Statists and/or calls Ron Paul a liar who secretly supports abortions and hates the Constitution.

I agree, OP is a dick

The Ron Paul hate around here by Anarchists really gets old sometimes.

Technically the OP wasn't hating on Ron Paul because he thinks Ron Paul is an an-cap, but that's beside the point

 

[Christian Liberty]

From the OP:


So who started it?The OP calls Strict Constitutionalists like Ron Paul Nazis and Statists and/or calls Ron Paul a liar who secretly supports abortions and hates the Constitution.

The Ron Paul hate around here by Anarchists really gets old sometimes.

Yeah, the OP was kind of unfortunate in that regard. Console yourself by realizing that, much like pretty much any other group,m ancaps disagree with each other at times, and aren't a monolithic group. All ancaps agree that a society without a State would be the best society, but beyond that, there's a ton of disagreement regarding ethical justification for statelessness, methods of attaining statelessness, some specific issues (including abortion and immigration), opinions of Ron and Rand Paul, etc.

For what its worth, I'm an ancap who believes abortion should be treated the same thing as murder... my position isn't the most common among ancaps but I'm not the only one either. I absolutely love Ron Paul, and somewhat support Rand.

Ya, I agree. If he were secretly an an-cap I would no longer support him. How could someone in good conscience support an an-cap?

You're getting too good at trolling us

 

[mad cow]

I agree, OP is a dick



Technically the OP wasn't hating on Ron Paul because he thinks Ron Paul is an an-cap, but that's beside the point

So he was simply calling Ron Paul a liar who secretly supports abortions and hates the Constitution?

Alrighty then,that's much better!

 

[TheTexan]

So he was simply calling Ron Paul a liar who secretly supports abortions and hates the Constitution?

Alrighty then,that's much better!

Politicians lie, that goes for Ron Paul, Rand Paul, any politician... and I'm not saying that negatively, it's just the realities of the job.

 

[Christian Liberty]

So he was simply calling Ron Paul a liar who secretly supports abortions and hates the Constitution?

Alrighty then,that's much better!

I find it downright absurd that Ron would secretly support abortion. But, I don't think being an anarcho-capitalist means that you have to hate the constitution. I happen to think that going back to a strict interpretation of the constitution would be somewhere around an 80-90% improvement over where we are currently at, and that's nothing to laugh at. I still think absolutely no State at all would be better still. If Ron is secretly an ancap I imagine he's more like that than someone who secretly hates the constitution.

 

[nayjevin]

I find it downright absurd that Ron would secretly support abortion. But, I don't think being an anarcho-capitalist means that you have to hate the constitution. I happen to think that going back to a strict interpretation of the constitution would be somewhere around an 80-90% improvement over where we are currently at, and that's nothing to laugh at. I still think absolutely no State at all would be better still. If Ron is secretly an ancap I imagine he's more like that than someone who secretly hates the constitution.

Just watch the BookTV interview with Ron from yesterday, philosophical anarchy that rejects the use of violence has good ideas but Ron believes political involvement can have benefits.

Some love from a caller for Emma Goldman.

 

[idiom]

I have a dream, that one day, an-caps and objectivists, minarchists and secessionists, could work together to keep the government below 10% of GDP.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I have a dream, that one day, an-caps and objectivists, minarchists and secessionists, could work together to keep the government below 10% of GDP.

Hear Hear

 

[helmuth_hubener]

All that being said, I have never heard a defense of an an-cap solution to air and water pollution that I don't find laughable.

Do you want to?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Just watch the BookTV interview with Ron from yesterday, philosophical anarchy that rejects the use of violence has good ideas but Ron believes political involvement can have benefits.

Some love from a caller for Emma Goldman.

Philosophical ancaps do not necessarily believe ALL violence is wrong. I suppose it would be possible to take that position, but it isn't required. Philosophical anarcho-capitalism says that all aggressive violence is wrong, including violence used for the purpose of maintaining a monopolistic nation-state.

Also, philosophical anarcho-capitalism does not require one to eschew political involvement. Again, some ancaps take that position, but its not a requirement to be an ancap. And Murray Rothbard, one of the most well-known ancap philosophers, did not believe that political involvement was inherently useless or immoral. And, for what its worth, I don't necessarily believe that either.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The way I see it is, that an-caps and minarchists and constitutionalists and perhaps even "traditional conservative" (whatever that means?) are all close enough philosophically that we shouldn't be worried about which label is on whom.

As long as someone wants to let me have my freedom instead of take it away, I really don't care what they call themselves. We're waist deep in a shit pool of tyranny; we don't really have the luxury of being choosy about which freedom philosophies are cool or not cool

Agreed. And a "traditional conservative" is a paleocon. Typically, this meant you were a Goldwater-conservative.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Philosophical ancaps do not necessarily believe ALL violence is wrong. I suppose it would be possible to take that position, but it isn't required. Philosophical anarcho-capitalism says that all aggressive violence is wrong, including violence used for the purpose of maintaining a monopolistic nation-state.

Also, philosophical anarcho-capitalism does not require one to eschew political involvement. Again, some ancaps take that position, but its not a requirement to be an ancap. And Murray Rothbard, one of the most well-known ancap philosophers, did not believe that political involvement was inherently useless or immoral. And, for what its worth, I don't necessarily believe that either.

Blah, blah. If we don't have national sovereignty, we are totally screwed. The idea of countries is to carve out a piece of the world for those who want to live under certain principles. Other peoples can do same for themselves.

Perhaps you should found an anarchy la-la land and go live there. But, oops, that would imply borders and you hate those. Guess you are **** out of luck.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Blah, blah. If we don't have national sovereignty, we are totally screwed. The idea of countries is to carve out a piece of the world for those who want to live under certain principles. Other peoples can do same for themselves.

Perhaps you should found an anarchy la-la land and go live there. But, oops, that would imply borders and you hate those. Guess you are **** out of luck.

You are a complete and abject moron. The Ron Paul Movement should be ashamed to have people as dumb as you in its midst.

You are willfully clueless.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You are a complete and abject moron. The Ron Paul Movement should be ashamed to have people as dumb as you in its midst.

You are willfully clueless.

I hate to tell you, but Ron Paul also strongly believes in national sovereignty.

Are you going to kick him out too?

 

[Christian Liberty]

I hate to tell you, but Ron Paul also strongly believes in national sovereignty.

Are you going to kick him out too?

I didn't say anything about national sovereignty in my post. What I was addressing were the false assumptions that ancaps believe that all violence is wrong and that all political action is wrong. If you knew how to read, you'd know that. And yes, if Ron was that incapable of reading I'd stop supporting him to, but I doubt it.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "national sovereignty". If you mean immigration restrictions, I'm generally against them. But I don't think its the top issue to be concerned with, and I think it was unfortunate that the OP made the presumption that everyone who supports them is a "Nazi" (Keep in mind that ancaps are not a hive mind any more than any other movement.) But, that wasn't really my issue with you. My issue with you is your lack of reading comprehension.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I didn't say anything about national sovereignty in my post. What I was addressing were the false assumptions that ancaps believe that all violence is wrong and that all political action is wrong. If you knew how to read, you'd know that. And yes, if Ron was that incapable of reading I'd stop supporting him to, but I doubt it.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "national sovereignty". If you mean immigration restrictions, I'm generally against them. But I don't think its the top issue to be concerned with, and I think it was unfortunate that the OP made the presumption that everyone who supports them is a "Nazi" (Keep in mind that ancaps are not a hive mind any more than any other movement.) But, that wasn't really my issue with you. My issue with you is your lack of reading comprehension.

Yeah, you did.

maintaining a monopolistic nation-state

It's called a country. A nation. The only people who use the term "nation-state" are globalist traitors who want a one-world government and of course, useful idiots.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yeah, you did.



It's called a country. A nation. The only people who use the term "nation-state" are globalist traitors who want a one-world government and of course, useful idiots.

I don't want one-world government. ANd I think as long as governments exist, the more localized they are, the less damage they can do, and that's better.

The difference between us is that I ultimately want to see all government privatized, while you still believe in the existence of a limited state. Which, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree on. As long as you actually understand the position you are disagreeing with. I do not think you do.