Deep down, is Rand actually a true anarcho-capitalist? Either way is he still OK?

[Christian Liberty]

Yes, that should've been one of the answers to the poll.

And I think anyone who would pick that answer has lost their mind.

Even if for whatever irrational reason you think anarcho-capitalism would be a disaster, there is no possible way a President could ever implement it on his own. All an openly ancap President could do is shift the overton window to some degree. Which would probably lead to the same types of limited government policies that you want being passed.

He's nowhere near being an ana-cap, but certainly more "hard core" than what he's letting on.

He's trying to be appointed president and to do that requires schmoozing, placating and kissing ass as required.

Goes with the territory.

This definitely means something to me coming from you, as I know you aren't ultra-political like many of the people who say this are.

What makes you think this?






Also, regarding the OP:

There are ancaps who are anti-abortion.

THere are ancaps who are anti-immigration.

"Constitution worshippers" come in different categories. There are real constitutionalists, and then there are phony constitutionalists. And they aren't really the same people at all.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Rand is dumb like a fox. He is like watching a fine chess player make his move, all the while letting on that he doesn't know how to play the game. I wouldn't wanna play poker with him but I sure as hell will vote for him!

Thank God only the members of RPF see what's really going on!

 

[Anti Federalist]

This definitely means something to me coming from you, as I know you aren't ultra-political like many of the people who say this are.

What makes you think this?

Well, I met the man back 2007, heard what he had to say, heard what he has said, that leads me to believe that.

I used to get incredibly pissed when he said things that contradicted what I had come to think he believed in.

But then I realized how pointless that was, that the schmoozing and dissimulation is required, if you are going to get anywhere near the White House.

At the end of the day, the nation will be much better off with president Rand than without.

So, I'll give him my support, just lacking the enthusiasm that the raw honesty and integrity of his dad inspires in me.

The other realization that I came to was that Boobus wants neither honesty in his politicians, nor does he want freedom.

 

[jon4liberty]

Anyone opposed to anarcho capitalism and claims to be a "libertarian" "constitutionalist" "conservative" still have some awakening to do. The Constitution was formed illegally in the dead of night behind closed doors by the bankers and their puppets. Anyone who believes a ruler should lead them in all aspects or even limited areas that are "necessary". Market failures= BIGGER GOVERNMENT FAILURES. I will gladly welcome any debates on any issues by the statist on this site.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Anyone opposed to anarcho capitalism and claims to be a "libertarian" "constitutionalist" "conservative" still have some awakening to do. The Constitution was formed illegally in the dead of night behind closed doors by the bankers and their puppets. Anyone who believes a ruler should lead them in all aspects or even limited areas that are "necessary". Market failures= BIGGER GOVERNMENT FAILURES. I will gladly welcome any debates on any issues by the statist on this site.

I'm a constitutionalist in the sense that I think the constitution should be strictly interpreted for as long as it does exist, and that politicians have absolutely no right, legally or morally, to "reinterpret" the constitution to suit their own ends.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist in the sense that I think no State whatsoever is ideal and that the existence of any State is illegal.

I still don't know what "conservative" means so I prefer to say that I'm only conservative in a theological sense.

 

[Vanguard101]

Anyone opposed to anarcho capitalism and claims to be a "libertarian" "constitutionalist" "conservative" still have some awakening to do. The Constitution was formed illegally in the dead of night behind closed doors by the bankers and their puppets. Anyone who believes a ruler should lead them in all aspects or even limited areas that are "necessary". Market failures= BIGGER GOVERNMENT FAILURES. I will gladly welcome any debates on any issues by the statist on this site.

"The Constitution was formed illegally in the dead of night behind closed doors by the bankers and their puppets."
The same can be argued about anarcho capitalism

 

[Christian Liberty]

"The Constitution was formed illegally in the dead of night behind closed doors by the bankers and their puppets."
The same can be argued about anarcho capitalism

How? Does that even make sense?

 

[TheTexan]

How? Does that even make sense?

He probably just hates an-caps because he's tired of an-caps voting to restrict his freedoms

 

[Ronin Truth]

http://www.dailypaul.com/315350/ron-paul-on-rand-paul-hes-doing-a-better-job

 

[Southron]

I really dont think Rand is pretending to be anything. For better or worse I think he is just your typical libertarian. He may wish to do more but he will do what he can politically. I could be wrong though.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He probably just hates an-caps because he's tired of an-caps voting to restrict his freedoms

Is this a joke?

Many ancaps don't even vote. And those who do typically either vote Libertarian or for the smaller government, more libertarianish Republicans.

 

[brandon]

I think he's more of a socialist/marxist than he really shows and that's why I support him.

 

[KingNothing]

Rand Paul's voting record speaks for itself. Whether he is or is no an an-cap is immaterial.

The important thing is that he continues to focus on detailed, thoughtful, nuanced legislation, working with his colleagues to pass bills that increase liberty, and shining spot-lights on the hypocrites in Washington who stand in his way.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

"The Constitution was formed illegally in the dead of night behind closed doors by the bankers and their puppets."
The same can be argued about anarcho capitalism

 

[RonPaulMall]

I used to wonder this about Ron Paul. After years of being suspicious about him I decided that yes, he is probably an An-Cap and only paying lip service to the anti-abortion groups, "border control" Nazis, constitution worshipers, and other forms of statists. Honestly, he could NEVER have gotten the fame and attention he has without these groups.

Rand has either taken this to the next level, by pandering even further to more groups, or he has really lost touch with any fundamental principle guiding his views and decisions.

So which is it, is Rand an anarcho-capitalist pretending to be mainstream, or is he mainstream and pretending to have an-cap leaning beliefs?

You do realize that Murray Rothbard himself was a "border control" Nazi? We generally associate the anarcho-capitalist closed border position with Hans-Hermann Hoppe because he's the first one who really a full and comprehensive case for it, but Hoppe himself was influenced by this writing of Rothbard's:

http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/11_1/11_1_1.pdf

(skim down to "Open Borders or the Camp of Saints Problem" if you want to cut to the chase)

 

[specsaregood]

why is that libertarian/anarcho-whateverthefucks are so obsessed with labeling and categorizing people?

 

[PaleoPaul]

why is that libertarian/anarcho-whateverthefucks are so obsessed with labeling and categorizing people?

Because they're like the goth or punk kids in high school. The goths and punks claim that "labels suck" and that they're "non-conformist," but when you get down to it, they do their own labeling and conforming. An Caps are NO different.

 

[idiom]

Democracy people... It almost never elects an extreme. The best you can hope for is to move the needle each cycle in the right direction.

For the record:

No, and its why I support him.

A truly hardcore An-cap would get impeached for failing to uphold the constitution.

 

[TheTexan]

A truly hardcore An-cap would get impeached for failing to uphold the constitution.

Just as a side note, a truly hardcore constitutionalist would also get impeached for failing to uphold the constitution :/

 

[erowe1]

[X] would get impeached for failing to uphold the constitution.

That's what happens to people who fail to uphold the Constitution?