Hey there. My friend and I debate. Alot. What comes up most is foreign policy. He believes that we need to be over there and if we don't then innocent civilians will be killed by terrorists. I try telling him that we kill many civilians ourselves but he says that there is no proof. Also he believes that there is no proof we are arming the Syrian rebels and that in the past, we overthrew the Iranian government. He truly thinks we need to be over there to make peace. I wish he would see through Fox news. Could you help me with facts and strategies that I could debate him with?
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woah woah woah, wait a minute. He actually says there isn't any 'proof' we overthrew Iran back in the 50s? Uh.....
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Well, if that's the case then he's being willfully ignorant of the facts. The only way to approach the issue of foreign policy is to point out how unsustainable these endless wars have become, reducing our once-great economy to a debt-hell service economy with a currancy rapidly losing its value. The country will collapse and most of the idiots who can't figure this out will starve to death along with their families. History shows this to be correct.
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I read about how our CIA helped to overthrow Mosadeqh on the CIA's website. All those docs are now public.
Tell him to look up a little thing called Operation Ajax. It's all unclassified information now.
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Google: "Operation AJAX"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
also:
See "the British mandate" for facts about palestine and lawrence of Arabia.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
also:
See "the British mandate" for facts about palestine and lawrence of Arabia.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php
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Just print some shit out from the internet. You're on it right now.
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Videos are always good:
Why we fight: History of the military industrial complex
This video gives a history of blowback and has testimonies from vets that support Ron Paul because of his foreign policy:
Quick video of military endorsements of Ron Paul, as well as the march on the white house:
Why we fight: History of the military industrial complex
This video gives a history of blowback and has testimonies from vets that support Ron Paul because of his foreign policy:
Quick video of military endorsements of Ron Paul, as well as the march on the white house:
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Firstly, why would you waste your effort debating with a neocon? Better that you beat him with an iron bar to within a few hair's breadths of his life than waste wind and reason where none shall ever penetrate.
Secondly: the fact that you associate with such types brings up some troubling questions of character.
Thirdly: do I really need the smiley?
He's a good friend of mine and is my workout buddy. Might as well try to sway him while I'm at it
It can get VERY frustrating
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Tell him to read these...
If he doesn't believe the troops who are eye witnesses, what sources does he consider credible?
I enthusiastically endorse Rep. Ron Paul for President in 2012. Its has always bothered me to see spineless politicians (who have never endured the absolute horrors of war themselves) endlessly advocate for conflict after conflict. War is horrible and should only be tolerated in the true defense of our nation. Careless meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations will almost always lead to resentment from the citizens of those countries and therefor create generations of people who hate the United States of America. I have seen innocent civilians get accidentally hurt in combat, and I do not blame the relatives of those poor souls for hating us. Simply calling them terrorists who hate us for our freedoms is both irrational and irresponsible.
We need to change the status quo and vote in a true conservative who respects and upholds the constitution, and will defend our civil liberties. We need a leader who has held his ground for 20 + years in congress. We need a leader we can trust. We need a leader who my kids can look up to in the future. We need Ron Paul to be elected president in 2012!
CPL Ibrahim Hashi, USMC 0311
Iraq and Afghanistan Veteran
1st Bn 8th Marines, 2nd MarDiv
2006-2011
In 2007 when I first learned about Ron Paul, I knew I had finally found a candidate that actually understood what motivates hatred against America. It is the tyranny that we impose abroad, both directly through our military interventionism, our bombing campaigns that kill innocents, our sanctions that deprive innocents of basic supplies, and indirectly through our propping up of brutal dictators, our financial aid to both sides that perpetuates conflicts, and our overthrow of justly elected leaders. Someone who actually understood blowback and presented the constitutional platform of declared war, and the Christian philosophy of Just War.
Only Ron Paul understands and is equipped with the knowledge to execute a Foreign Policy of Peace and Freedom.
Captain Jack R Thompson
US Army (Armored Cavalry)
Just google (marine or soldier witness killing)
If he doesn't believe the troops who are eye witnesses, what sources does he consider credible?
I enthusiastically endorse Rep. Ron Paul for President in 2012. Its has always bothered me to see spineless politicians (who have never endured the absolute horrors of war themselves) endlessly advocate for conflict after conflict. War is horrible and should only be tolerated in the true defense of our nation. Careless meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations will almost always lead to resentment from the citizens of those countries and therefor create generations of people who hate the United States of America. I have seen innocent civilians get accidentally hurt in combat, and I do not blame the relatives of those poor souls for hating us. Simply calling them terrorists who hate us for our freedoms is both irrational and irresponsible.
We need to change the status quo and vote in a true conservative who respects and upholds the constitution, and will defend our civil liberties. We need a leader who has held his ground for 20 + years in congress. We need a leader we can trust. We need a leader who my kids can look up to in the future. We need Ron Paul to be elected president in 2012!
CPL Ibrahim Hashi, USMC 0311
Iraq and Afghanistan Veteran
1st Bn 8th Marines, 2nd MarDiv
2006-2011
In 2007 when I first learned about Ron Paul, I knew I had finally found a candidate that actually understood what motivates hatred against America. It is the tyranny that we impose abroad, both directly through our military interventionism, our bombing campaigns that kill innocents, our sanctions that deprive innocents of basic supplies, and indirectly through our propping up of brutal dictators, our financial aid to both sides that perpetuates conflicts, and our overthrow of justly elected leaders. Someone who actually understood blowback and presented the constitutional platform of declared war, and the Christian philosophy of Just War.
Only Ron Paul understands and is equipped with the knowledge to execute a Foreign Policy of Peace and Freedom.
Captain Jack R Thompson
US Army (Armored Cavalry)
Just google (marine or soldier witness killing)
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