Debate for National Health Care Starts on the House Floor @ 1030 EST / 0730PST 11/7

[kahless]

please indicate whether you advocate the complete elimination of ALL government regulations of the HC/medical industry (and related ones [like HC insurance])?

The only two I am stuck on are pre-existing condition or when you get sick the insurance company dropping you. They should not be allowed to break a contact when you get sick since what would be the point of insurance. Otherwise I am for deregulation.

The problems we have now could easily be eliminated if insurance companies were allowed to compete across state lines. This is what makes this whole Democrat health care plan ridiculous when that is all they need to do.

 

[idirtify]

Well, I nailed it and brought it up from time to time, for example here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=206254

A slight ly different version was sent to RP and other congress critters. I've also called and talked to staffers on a number of occasions, and anytime you bring up regulation being the problem - you can hear their attention and interest turning off. I've specifically brought up CLIA as being a major reason for costs skyrocketing but guess the clinical labs have good lobbyists and pay too good of bribes... the only place I got any mileage was bringing up the "drug gap" between the UK and US where they get drugs approved 2 years earlier with no difference in safety as measured by number of drug recalls. Hence, we might be able to roll back a little if it's a contest or matter of national pride or homogenizing international standards or something...

Dr. Paul apparently introduced 6 amendments, of which 3 were paid some attention to. I'm not sure what was in them - he didn''t have us pushing for them or advertise their existence. But the bottom line is if you are rallying to roll back regulation or abolish agencies - your going to be talking to a wall in DC so you have to play their games and try to make it not as bad as it could have been.

-t

Good post. But my point is made; your thread got zero replies.

Re: your last comment –
Whether RP in DC has to “play their games and try to make it not as bad as it could have been” in order to “roll back regulation or abolish agencies” is arguable. He certainly doesn’t temper his message in other areas. That’s why I said he’s probably more worried about offending his supporters.

But we certainly do not have to temper our discussions here, and you are certainly on my list of consistent libertarians.

 

[idirtify]

The only two I am stuck on are pre-existing condition or when you get sick the insurance company dropping you. They should not be allowed to break a contact when you get sick since what would be the point of insurance. Otherwise I am for deregulation.

I don’t believe you understand the degree to which medical costs (and therefore insurance) would drop without regulation. Along with rock-bottom costs would come very little need for insurance.

 

[Expatriate]

They should not be allowed to break a contact when you get sick since what would be the point of insurance.

If an insurance company did that a lot, wouldn't they get a bad reputation and end up losing all their customers to one that didn't? Also, couldn't you take them to court yourself over breaching the contract? Nobody's saying we should get rid of contract law, are they?

Also, if the government wasn't meddling with health care in the first place, chances are you wouldn't need much insurance since costs would be much lower due to competition.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I don’t believe you understand the degree to which medical costs (and therefore insurance) would drop without regulation. Along with rock-bottom costs would come very little need for insurance.

It depends on if you get rid of ALL regulations and laws or just some. Look at medical marijana. Long time ago it was dirt cheap, but it's illegal status has caused the price to skyrocket. With it becoming legal in certain instances, it remained uber expensive and a cash cow for growers, dispensaries and the tax man.

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

If an insurance company did that a lot, wouldn't they get a bad reputation and end up losing all their customers to one that didn't? Also, couldn't you take them to court yourself over breaching the contract? Nobody's saying we should get rid of contract law, are they?

Also, if the government wasn't meddling with health care in the first place, chances are you wouldn't need much insurance since costs would be much lower due to competition.

Page 140 of the bill lets insurance companies dump you for any reason or at least deny treatment and denies you any recourse to sue for damages. Page 141 lets trial lawyers sue the federal government (the taxpayer) if it's a public plan.

Remember what this is all about: A) kill off the "useless eaters" - those not paying taxes ie: seniors to reduce gvmt expenses and B) bankrupt the country so our economic condition is equivalent with the third world to make way for world government and also to devalue the dollar so government can pay off it's debt.

$100 Trillion dollars in debt isn't a big deal if that debt is in Zimbabwe dollars - unless you are a US citizen who just had your life savings wiped out and just lost your home to the government or a holder of our debt, like China.

These people are PURE and TOTAL EVIL!

-t

 

[idirtify]

It depends on if you get rid of ALL regulations and laws or just some. Look at medical marijana. Long time ago it was dirt cheap, but it's illegal status has caused the price to skyrocket. With it becoming legal in certain instances, it remained uber expensive and a cash cow for growers, dispensaries and the tax man.

-t

Yes. You are agreeing with me in that the only reason marijuana that became “legal” in certain instances remained uber expensive was because most regulations on it still remained in other venues/areas. Marijuana is an exceptionally good example of something which would become exceptionally cheap if ALL government regulations against it would be eliminated; since it is so easy to produce (MUCH easier than tobacco).

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Video short:

Professional video of an emaciated man being released from Federal Prison. Cut to professional video of the man being interviewed by a reporter. We learn that he is now dying of AIDS which he contracted in prison. It all started when:

Amateur video embedded reporter attached to a police SWAT squad raiding a lower middle class home, running up, bursting through the door, holding wife and children on the floor at gunpoint, taking husband and wife into custody, handing children off to CPS.

Semi-pro fixed angle video of court proceedings, "Guilty of failure to buy health inurance, and refusing to pay the penalties, I sentence you to 5 years in prison"

Cut back to interview, man is crying, "I don't care about my life, I'm dying, but my wife and children, their lives are ruined!"

End title: Don't pay off the billionaire HMO executives? That's five years in the Federal Penitentiary. Tell your Senator NOW how you feel about Nancy Pelosi's healthcare plan to pay off her big pharma lobbyists!

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

THIS IS GOLD from JUNE 2007!

History from the Daily Paul, Posted June 23rd, 2007 by Jane Aitken in

• Arnie Arnesen
• GOP
• NH
• Ron Paul
• TV Show

Fast Forward video to 45:00 minute mark: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/432

Don't forget Big Pharmaceuticals and Corporate Hospitals... it's not just the Insurance companies. We would need a second point of view on the collaberation and collusion of the BIG 3 of HEALTH, Anti-Trust exclusion, Politicians AND Government Agencies that opposed Free market Cheap Drug imports from Canada, UK, Germany, France, Japan, etc... That bill was killed in 2007 "Cheap Import Drug Act" not only did the Political Lawyers word in a poison pill, but to kill it, Big Pharma paid the FDA $350 Million.

Of course we the people pay...

PS: Ron Paul's speech at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire, when running for the presidency, was mostly about Health Care and costs... how the government themselves cause inflation and costs to rise on the people. That was a very good meeting and how government throwing more at any problem, causes the people to pay more.

Just look at government's involement in Education system and easy student loans for College... it caused tuitions to skyrocket in the last 20 years. Then afterwards, passed legislation that you cannot writeoff/default on student loans, Public and Private....THEN may it Retro Active!

The government doesn't represent the people.

Video short:

Professional video of an emaciated man being released from Federal Prison. Cut to professional video of the man being interviewed by a reporter. We learn that he is now dying of AIDS which he contracted in prison. It all started when:

Amateur video embedded reporter attached to a police SWAT squad raiding a lower middle class home, running up, bursting through the door, holding wife and children on the floor at gunpoint, taking husband and wife into custody, handing children off to CPS.

Semi-pro fixed angle video of court proceedings, "Guilty of failure to buy health inurance, and refusing to pay the penalties, I sentence you to 5 years in prison"

Cut back to interview, man is crying, "I don't care about my life, I'm dying, but my wife and children, their lives are ruined!"

End title: Don't pay off the billionaire HMO executives? That's five years in the Federal Penitentiary. Tell your Senator NOW how you feel about Nancy Pelosi's healthcare plan to pay off her big pharma lobbyists!