Debate for National Health Care Starts on the House Floor @ 1030 EST / 0730PST 11/7

[AuH20]

This isn't over. It still has to go through the Senate.

You really think that Obama is going to be stopped by procedural limits? They will go nuclear with 50+ votes.

 

[MikeStanart]

Even if it does pass in the Senate; I don't believe this bill will even go into effect until 2012?

I have a feeling people will be coming out of the wood-work to vote for anyone with a (L) or a (R) next to their name in the 2010 elections.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

The thing about is... a majority of Americans are against this Social Mandated HC... They just want the reform to control te Corporate Profit Hospitals, Big Corporatism Pharmaceutical, and Insurance Monopoly Thugs... as usual, CONGRESS did it all wrong.

As usual the People Pay for all the mistakes.

 

[Kbeaubs]

Even if it does pass in the Senate; I don't believe this bill will even go into effect until 2012?

I have a feeling people will be coming out of the wood-work to vote for anyone with a (L) or a (R) next to their name in the 2010 elections.

Many of the provisions would start on 1/1/2010. Thats what Pelosi said anyway.

 

[Dieseler]

What about the pet class?
What is the cut off on wages earned where one gets the full free ride?
Underachieving could be the new American hobby.

 

[KAYA]

House of Tyrants

 

[Original_Intent]

I wonder if tar and feather removal is a covered procedure under the House health insurance plan?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Found this off of drudge:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]"


This is scary stuff right here :S

"Non compliance" of code as determined by government, lands you jail.

Heh heh heh, aha HAH HAH...

A tax to live, and failure to pay your living tax results in arrest and imprisonment.

What a country.

 

[Dieseler]

You know the project, welfare, foodstamp crew ain't gonna pay a nickel nor face any jail time for not buying health care.
Whats the cut off?
You can't squeeze blood from a retarded turnip.
Or a deadbeat.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What about the pet class?
What is the cut off on wages earned where one gets the full free ride?
Underachieving could be the new American hobby.

There was a joke in the old USSR that said:

"As long as they pretend to pay us, we'll keep pretending to work".

 

[Dieseler]

There was a joke in the old USSR that said:

"As long as they pretend to pay us, we'll keep pretending to work".

Lol.
That's what they are gonna get.
But if you stop and think about it.
There wasn't any pet class in the old Soviet Union.
What about the Pet Class?
We certainly do have a pet class in the U.S.A.
Highly protected as well.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You know the project, welfare, foodstamp crew ain't gonna pay a nickel nor face any jail time for not buying health care.
Whats the cut off?
You can't squeeze blood from a retarded turnip.
Or a deadbeat.

Good question.

But I'm sure you're right, there will be some income cutoff level.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Lol.
That's what they are gonna get.
But if you stop and think about it.
There wasn't any pet class in the old Soviet Union.
What about the Pet Class?
We certainly do have a pet class in the U.S.A.
Highly protected as well.

Everybody was a part of the pet class.

The pet class that belongs to the crazy cat lady living in filth and squalor.

 

[Dieseler]

Good question.

But I'm sure you're right, there will be some income cutoff level.

Well that will surely fuel resentment when a guy goes to service the project home of some fat welfare sucking bitch with 14 kids runnin' around with free health care on his dime wont it?

 

[Dieseler]

Everybody was a part of the pet class.

The pet class that belongs to the crazy cat lady living in filth and squalor.

I don't understand this post, you'll have to explain that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well that will surely fuel resentment when a guy goes to service the project home of some fat welfare sucking bitch with 14 kids runnin' around with free health care on his dime wont it?

I'm sure the system is counting on it.

It seems to run on fostering resentment and channeling it to it's own ends.

The serviceman has been so emasculated by the system that his resentment is soothed by some strongly worded letters of disapproval.

 

[Dieseler]

This is not going to go over well.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't understand this post, you'll have to explain that.

By "pet class" I'm assuming you are referring to whole classes of people, kept as "pets" and treated better that the rest of the rabble but still treated and protected as "pets".

In the USSR everybody had "pet" status, but since you belonged to an owner so foul, in this case the crazy cat lady, that you would just as soon not be a protected pet at all.

 

[Ninja Homer]

"Non compliance" of code as determined by government, lands you jail.

Heh heh heh, aha HAH HAH...

A tax to live, and failure to pay your living tax results in arrest and imprisonment.

What a country.

And refusal to cooperate with the arrest likely gets you shot. Pay to be healthy or die. Government mafia's offer you can't refuse.

 

[Dieseler]

By "pet class" I'm assuming you are referring to whole classes of people, kept as "pets" and treated better that the rest of the rabble but still treated and protected as "pets".

In the USSR everybody had "pet" status, but since you belonged to an owner so foul, in this case the crazy cat lady, that you would just as soon not be a protected pet at all.

OK, I think I got it now.
I'm a little thick, they were Communist.
We are not Communist though and I don't think people are going to buy it much longer.