Debate eligibility rules released top 6 national only

[CPUd]

Rand will get in by way of Iowa polling. He'll need to be polling 5's or higher in Iowa for a couple weeks.

 

[phill4paul]

Rand is 7th nationally and 6th in Iowa. This is a criteria gerrymandering.

Bingo. This should all have been worked out between the GOP and the networks before the debate was even held. There is purpose and meaning in everything.

 

[CPUd]

It's not just about trying to cut Rand out of the main stage, the RNC is working with the press to make it look like the field in general is shrinking. That's why they added this eextra debate before the Iowa caucus. They absolutely do not want 10+ candidates on the ballots in March; they preferably want a presumptive nominee (not named Trump) after Super Tuesday.

 

[CPUd]

The Cruz campaign has picked up on this as well, he's been going around saying the conservatives are all starting to unite behind his campaign.

 

[nikcers]

The Cruz campaign has picked up on this as well, he's been going around saying the conservatives are all starting to unite behind his campaign.

That's been the Koch strategy all along, looks like Cruz is the Koch candidate after all, no wonder Scott Walker dropped out.

 

[nikcers]

It's not just about trying to cut Rand out of the main stage, the RNC is working with the press to make it look like the field in general is shrinking. That's why they added this eextra debate before the Iowa caucus. They absolutely do not want 10+ candidates on the ballots in March; they preferably want a presumptive nominee (not named Trump) after Super Tuesday.

Shit just got real

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) destroys Republican candidate Donald Trump in a general election by 13 percentage points. In this new poll, Sanders has 51 percent to Trump's 38 percent. If this margin held in a general election, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

 

[Jan2017]

It's not just about trying to cut Rand out of the main stage, the RNC is working with the press to make it look like the field in general is shrinking. That's why they added this eextra debate before the Iowa caucus. They absolutely do not want 10+ candidates on the ballots in March; they preferably want a presumptive nominee (not named Trump) after Super Tuesday.

Next three weeks of polling will be the key, Carly has to have very little chance at the prime debate with this criteria.

 

[carlton]

If we beat out Bush in IA, were in

 

[CPUd]

LOL Bush, in 3 weeks Rand will be beating Trump in Iowa.

 

[CPUd]

As long as national polling is not the only way to make the main stage, Rand will be in all the remaining debates.

 

[carlton]

LOL Bush, in 3 weeks Rand will be beating Trump in Iowa.

Well, I wouldn't put the bank on it. I do think, though, that Rand will qualify via IA beating out Bush at the very least

 

[Jackie Moon]

Rand is 7th nationally and 6th in Iowa. This is a criteria gerrymandering.

All Rand has to do is pull into fifth in either IA or NH and he's in.

Rand will get in by way of Iowa polling. He'll need to be polling 5's or higher in Iowa for a couple weeks.

Agree. He's only one spot off both nationally and in Iowa, so it's not like some huge mountain to climb.

I do think there's a good chance he can make it. Since it's not by percentage but by position, it would just mean him needing a small bump or someone ahead of him to continue to slide.

It's not just about trying to cut Rand out of the main stage, the RNC is working with the press to make it look like the field in general is shrinking. That's why they added this eextra debate before the Iowa caucus. They absolutely do not want 10+ candidates on the ballots in March; they preferably want a presumptive nominee (not named Trump) after Super Tuesday.

Yeah, they were trying to protect their Romney this time and it backfired.

At this point in 2011 there had already been 13 debates.

By cutting the number of debates - and not having an Iowa straw poll - they allowed this to happen where we have too many candidates and Trump is able to hold on.

If we'd had 13 debates so far this year, there wouldn't be this many candidates left, Trump wouldn't still be on top, and I think it would have benefited Rand.

But starting with the debate on the 14th there will be 5 debates within 6 weeks... that's when things will really move and Rand can take advantage of the extra attention and speaking time.

 

[01000110]

LOL Bush, in 3 weeks Rand will be beating Trump in Iowa.

I like your optimism, but what makes you think this is going to happen... I sure wish it would, but I have a hard time seeing it.

 

[erowe1]

Rand needs to improve his polling anyway. If he's still not in the top 6 by Jan. 11, then making this debate or not will be moot. Top 6 seems like a good debate criterion getting that close to the primaries.

 

[JeremyR]

The miracle would be honest journalism by Fox instead of their trying to drive future polling.



Has the campaign called out Fox on the above faux pas ? They still ask Rand about his poll numbers.
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+1

They swing 50% of people with their coverage.

Take that 50% that weren't guided by celebrity and Ron would already be president.

Its not just the election coverage but everything. War
, middle east, abortion, whatever talking point they want to fear monger over.

Someone needs to pair up with rand for the sake of America. Carson needs to drop and endorse rand Paul.

Rand needs some big endorsements right now!

 

[Zippyjuan]

So going by place, not percentage now . . . it doesn't say where Carly is ?


How will they "average" the five polls (six national polls) ?

In an average of all polls, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep..._republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html current standings as of December 20th are:

1) Trump- 33.6%
2) Cruz- 18%
3) Rubio- 12.3%
4) Carson- 10.0%
5) Bush- 4.5%
6) Christie- 3.5%
7) Paul 2.4%
8) Fiorina- 2.4%
9) Kasich 2.1%
10) Huckabee- 2.0

 

[CaptUSA]

Dammit, can someone change the misleading thread title?! People are getting all worked up.

That main debate will feature candidates who place in the top six nationally, based on an average of the five most recent national polls recognized by Fox News, or place within the top five based on an average of the five most recent Iowa or New Hampshire state polls recognized by the network.

With this criteria, there could still be a crowded stage.

 

[nikcers]

Dammit, can someone change the misleading thread title?! People are getting all worked up.



With this criteria, there could still be a crowded stage.

+1 -Sorry i noticed that afterwards when Politico broke the story and wrote that in the most misleading way possible

 

[CPUd]

I like your optimism, but what makes you think this is going to happen... I sure wish it would, but I have a hard time seeing it.

There is a sizable chunk of voters who will never support him, around 30-35%. Cruz is getting 35-40% there, most of those are coming from his previous support, but we know across the whole field, only 15% or so have Trump as a 2nd choice, and about 1/3 of Trump 1st choice voters are soft voters who could go wherever. Essentially Cruz is siphoning off his support from people who won't go back to him. But those aren't hard Cruz supporters either, they're about as soft as Carson supporters. One slip from Cruz and some of them will go to to Rand, but this only happens if he's already polling ahead of Bush, which he should be in a couple weeks when they start polling again. That gives about 1 week before the cutoff, where Trump starts polling under 20% and Rand should be polling 10% or higher. So it could be Cruz, Rubio, Trump, Paul, Carson, Bush in Iowa. Once that hits the press, it will all be about Trump dropping to 3rd place, and the next round of polls will not be so much about support going to Rand, but support running away from Trump due to the press reporting that he's 'losing'.

Of course none of that reflects what the actual caucus results will be.

 

[01000110]

Thanks