Dean Santoro: You Decide

kindled1

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As I'm sure many of you may know, allegations have been made questioning the integrity of Dean Santoro's run for Florida State Senate District 35. Dean Santoro is not endorsed by Ron Paul, yet he has benefitted from Ron Paul supporters like myself by professing himself as a Ron Paul Candidate. I felt the only responsible thing to do was to give Mr. Santoro the opportunity to respond to these allegations.

To be specific, Dean Santoro has been accused of endorsing his former opponent Lincoln Diaz-Balart. A congressman who's voting record raises a red flag and leads some to wonder why a Ron Paul Candidate would endorse him. I have provided Mr. Diaz-Balart's voting record below for your consideration.

Mr Santoro responded to me in a message through myspace.


"I had to eject two individuals from my Ron Paul group because they were harassing the women. This is their supposed 'revenge' on me.
My work on this movement speaks for itself - bolstered by the fact that I meet with Dr. Paul whenever I get to DC and I am in constant contact with his staffers. I've also managed to bridge the gap between the Ron Paul supporters and the local republican party here in Miami Dade - no easy feat let me tell you.
Beware of false prophets and thier movtives."



Then he posted a bulletin and a comment on his own myspace page which can be found here: *http://www.myspace.com/santoroforcongress*He ends with:

"Do yourself a favor and stop proliferating the unsubstantiated, malicious venom this phoney Ron Paul supporter is spewing."


Notice however, he did not respond to the question of whether he did or did not endorse Diaz-Balart. So I dug around and found the article that quotes his endorsement:

"Mr. Santoro who had formerly filed to run In US House District 21, offered his endorsement of Lincoln Diaz-Balart " I would also like to take this opportunity to announce my wholehearted support and endorsement of Congressman Lincoln Diaz-Balart. Although the Congressman and I do not agree on every single issue, I have come to appreciate his profound commitment to public service and the respect and integrity with which he serves his constituents." while being critical of his opponent former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez "whose honesty and integrity have been seriously questioned on many occasions and still linger in serious doubt, has a propensity toward verbal and physical violence, and would be a negative reflection on our community."
Source: http://rlc.meetup.com/90/messages/2562315/

I sent him this along with the link and Diaz-Balart's voting record and again gave him the opportunity to respond.

This is what I received from Dean Santoro:

"now do your research on the democratic oppoenent Raul Martinez and tell me who you would choose to endorse. Politics is about being able to disagree with someone but remain at a respectable level so as to keep the lines of communication open to help influence others in the right direction when you can.

Railing at them, crying foul at every junction and making enemies instead of finding maybe one issue where you can agree with an opponent is the way to start the road toward healing. These men know my stand on the war, they know my position of the Federal Reserve and they RESPECT me in that I can show them respect for THIER positions in a civil, factually-based manner without getting into shouting matches and calling them names or getting physically violet or threatening (IBID Raul Martinez).
Until angry, misdirected Ron Paul'ers and the leaders of the freedom movement pockets around the country realize you must respect your opponents and befriend them, you'll always be relegated to crying foul on internet chatrooms and never acheive the change many are so desperate for.

My goals have never changed, my resolved has never swayed... the only modification I've made is tactical. Attemting to discredit me only makes my case stronger. You would be well to follow my career by watching my deeds and acomplishments in leui of alighning yourself with the ineffective fringe ne'r-do-well's who started their sour grapes smear campaign against me.
On the ohter hand, this smear camapign does nothing more than raise my profile - and the intelligent ones that do their research before sending me scathing, irrespeonsible emails always find out the truth...the truth that I am on the righteous path to making real strides in the freedom movement IN REAL LIFE as where others can only sit behind a keyboard safely in their won home speweing the controversial venom while wasting precious seconds of time.

Choose carefully of those you wish to align yourself."


I am not aligned with anyone. I have supported Dean Santoro and simply gave him several opportunities to respond to allegations being thrown around the internet. He says on his myspace page that we should be ashamed to question his resolve or dedication. Ashamed? I know I won't be voting for anyone without doing thorough research to confirm that person deserves my vote. Our neglect in questioning and holding these people accountable has brought us to these sickening times. Santoro also asks that we question motives of people that try to "destroy your faith in the freedom movement". In other words, we are to just TRUST that these candidates are true and that their integrity is intact and never doubt or question them? Now he makes it obvious that he wants support based on the person he is running against. The better of two evils?

I have heard many stories that make me question his self proclaimed title of "Ron Paul Candidate". Mr. Santoro chooses not to address these concerns.

I am simply providing all of you with information. I trust each of us as individuals can come to our own conclusions.

Peace


Lincoln Diaz-Balart's voting record:

Voted against:

Vote 906: H R 976:expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program
Vote 624: H R 2956:require the president to begin reducing the number of U.S. troops serving in Iraq 120 days after its enactment and would require most troops to be withdrawn by April 1, 2008.
Vote 265: H R 1591: providing $124.2 billion primarily for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and setting benchmarks and a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, but President Bush vetoed the bill on May 1.
Vote 186: H R 1591:The bill offers supplemental appropriations to help the United States fight the global war on terror, among other things. However, President Bush has vowed to veto the bill because it includes a timeline for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
Vote 99: H CON RES 63: This measure expresses the House's disagreement with President Bush's planned troop buildup in Iraq.
Vote 40: H R 6: This bill would repeal tax cuts to oil companies and mandate that they pay a fee to remove oil from the Gulf of Mexico. It would also fund renewable energy programs. The act would repeal a tax break that oil and gas firms received in 2004.
Vote 23: H R 4: This bill would allow the government to negotiate directly with drugmakers for lower prescription drug prices for individuals using Medicare.
Vote 446: H R 6061: Secure Fence Act of 2006
Vote 661: H R 4437: This bill would clamp down on illegal immigration and toughen border security.
Vote 445: H R 6: Offered tax breaks and incentives in what supporters said was an effort to spur oil and gas companies to provide innovative wasy to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, conserve resources and reduce pollution.

Voted For:

Vote 836: S 1927: This amendment to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 passed 227-183 on August 4. The bill gives U.S. spy agencies expanded power to eavesdrop on foreign suspects without a court order.
Vote 757: H R 1: This amendment to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 was made in order to implement the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission.
Vote 425: H R 2206: This bill would provide funding in Iraq without setting withdrawal deadlines for troops, which anti-war Democrats sought in an earlier bill.
Vote 32: H R 5: This bill would lower the interest rate on student loans.
Vote 18: H R 2: This bill would increase the federal minimum wage from $5.15 an hour to $7.25 an hour over two years.
Vote 15: H R 1: This bill would implement many of the remaining recommendations proposed by the 9/11 Commission in 2004. The almost 300-page bill amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to give faster and more efficient funding to first responders.
Vote 508: S 3930: Military Commissions Act
Vote 502: H R 5825: Electronic Surveillance Modernization Act
Vote 425: H R 5970: Estate Tax and Extension of Tax Relief Act
Vote 288: H RES 861: This vote pledged support for the War in Iraq and rejected a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops.
Vote 135: H R 4297: Extended the Bush tax cuts.
Vote 4: H RES 653: Cut nearly $40 billion from the federal budget by imposing substantial changes on welfare, child support and student lending programs.
Vote 630: H R 2863: Supported a ban on cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of detainees held by U.S. forces and to requires the military to follow the Army field manual for interrogations.
Vote 506: H R 3824: Would have forced the government to compensate property owners if development plans were stymied by attempts to protect endangered species and would have given political appointees more power to make decisions about which species and areas would be subject to government intervention aimed at protecting plant and wildlife.
Vote 443: H R 3045: Established a free trade zone between the United States, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Gautemala, Honduras and Nicaragua; a separate agreement with the Dominican Republican was also included in the measure.
Vote 296: H J RES 10: This vote approved the proposal of a Constitutional amendment to ban the desecration of the American flag. The same bill was later defeated in the Senate.
Vote 6: H RES 5: Instituted a number of changes in the ethics rules that govern the conduct of individual members of Congress.

Source: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/d000299/key-votes/
 
Setting the record straight

Learn from those that have made progress and dismiss these heretics that with to destroy what we've built.
 
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Only Dean's record matters. This thread is as interesting as it is unexpected from such an inactive member, and while I say this, I wonder what benefits you draw from attacking Dr. Paul's campaign, Mr. Santoro....
 
Did Dean Santoro raise $33,000 or did the Miami-Dade meetup group raise $33,000?

After that post, what reason do you have to proclaim yourself to be a Ron Paul candidate? You have nothing nice to say about his supporters, his platform or his campaign.

By all means, consider the source. I provided sources so that each could decide for themselves.

Mr. Santoro, slander would require false statements. You did endorse Diaz-Balart and his voting record speaks volumes.

Ron Paul may work beside these people, but you don't see him endorsing them.
 
Dean Santoro is a good guy. When canvassing in NH, I met a lady who lives in Miami part of the year. She said she was definitly voting for Ron Paul because her favorite congressional candidate down there introduced her to his candidacy. I asked if she meant Dean Santoro and indeed she did! :)
 
I am a tried and True Ron Paul Supporter.
I am also a Dean Santoro Supporter.
Gave my hard earned money to BOTH individual campaigns, and as more money becomes available, I will contribute to Dean's campaign yet again.
WHY?
Because the man busted his ass for Ron Paul and his message.
The man knows his way around the political bullshit and has the determination to deal with all the shit to help us get candidates in office who have the guts to turn this country around.

Understand this...the revolution is an effort that will take several election cycles and this is not going to be a one pony show.
Ron cannot by any means do this himself.
Even if RP swept the primaries and was elected President, the office of the president is limited. NOBODY can get in and make such sweeping changes without Senate and Congressional support.
If you think they can you need to rethink politics.

It takes all of us to work together to vote out the people that have spent us into the hole over the past several election cycles.
Dean is one of the guys willing to step up and get it done.

What have you done for freedom?
 
Let's change the subject and move on.

It can be said that Dean Santoro and the Miami-Dade meetup group raised that $33,000.

Dean is a Ron Paul Republican. To say otherwise without asking those around him is ill-advised. I know the man and he has had to go through many people like you who question his motives with circumstantial evidence instead of seeing his actions.

And as far as I know Dean does not openly endorse Lincoln Diaz-Balart. To do so would be pointless anyway. What does Diaz-Balart get out of an endorsement from Dean? Nothing. However, a Diaz-Balart endorsement greatly benefits Dean in the local community. Dean was referred to as the "future" of the party by Diaz-Balart. Isn't this true?

He is also a busy man. He is happily married, works a 40-plus hour week and is running for public office. Give him a break if he doesn't answer you quickly, especially if they of such an abrasive nature.

It is a perplexing to see why RP people blast each other for their choices. We have lived in an age where this country has walked down the wrong path for SO long that to find a perfect statesman is nearly impossible to (think about how Ron Paul's voice among 435 others is small indeed). Encourage one another to do accomplish great things. We all know the truth now. Let's act on it.

I pose this question" Should we isolate ourselves from the people and the current establishment for the sake of feeling better about ourselves (oh how high and lofty, perfect in all our ways we are)? My answer is: Heaven forbid. We only hurt the message that way since using this tact only guarantees in framing the discussion around our personal stance opening ourselves to ad homien attacks.

Instead of the nasty remarks shared in the thread we should keep our eyes on our goals: (1) reform the politics at large, (2) reform the GOP, (3) pressure local politicians about bad policies, (4) elect responsible representatives to government.

I understand why Dean is so hot-tempered about such silly conversations. There have many such exchanges online that he has had to contend with to protect his reputation.

Lastly, the post on the meetup site was an initial press release when Dean first announced his candidacy. Unfortunately, it seems it was badly worded (or at least worded without thought to how it would be received) and the campaign itself is lacking "experience" to catch such mistakes. Endorsement must be the wrong word there and I have been told by Dean (last Friday even) that he has not endorsed Diaz-Balart. [I am sure someone from his campaign will say something to this effect, too.]

kindled1 I am going to assume that you do not live in Florida. If you did I am sure you would have a different opinion of him.
 
Actually I do live in Florida.

The topic of this thread is "Dean Santoro: You Decide". I more than welcome people to form their own opinions and adding to this topic only helps people to do just that.

I think Mr. Santoro's own post was most informative and revealing. I trust that people are fully capable of individual thought.

As far as the $33,000, (he does seem to enjoy speaking in the 3rd person) I quote Mr. Santoro's own comment and blog:

"The man who personally raised over $33,000 for the Ron Paul presidential campaign and has been formally recognized for his efforts."

"personally" indicates a specific person and no other is involved.

I am aware of his work with the Miami-Dade meetup group and give him credit where credit is due. I question how he can claim to be a Ron Paul Candidate, especially after his post here.

He was running for US House against Diaz-Balart. What happened that he chose to drop out of that race and instead run for Senate in another district? Why did the two of these men change their tune and begin endorsing and praising each other? If, as he says in his post here that he is running on his own message, what message is that? Ron Paul's message with a twist?

Run for senate. Why attach the Ron Paul name to it? He may have once supported and believed in Ron Paul and his message, but I can read his post here and question .... why?
 
This seems like when Sabrin said he'd do something that was favorable to McCain. Get over it, this is either a downright lie, a half-truth, or someone who doesn't know how to play politics.
 
Sounds to me like an individual hell bent on discrediting Dean Santoro.

What would motivate an individual to run a discredit campaign?

An opponent? A Troll? Somebody Dean once had to fire?

"YOU DECIDE"

you want us to know just how bad Dean really is...ok then...Enlighten us all...

Who is the platform candidate you support?

Who is the Ron Paul candidate you want us to vote for in Dean's district?

Are we voting Republicrat?
 
I presented information with credible links to there sources. I had no idea that information was so frowned upon here. I think it's silly to spread the message of freedom, liberty and upholding the constitution and then be expected to vote for anyone simply because they decide to attach themselves to the name "Ron Paul"

But that's my opinion and I'm willing to agree to disagree. I'm too old for some of this banter (name calling and paranoia). I still don't know what Dean Santoro's message is. I still question his endorsement of Diaz-Balart and I am ever more doubtful of his character. He seems to be very bitter towards Ron Paul, his supporters, his message, his campaign and the fact that he got "NOTHING, ZIP. ZILCH. NADA" as he made quite clear in his post here.

I suppose wanting to be an informed voter has little value around these parts. Maybe it's reserved for vetted members. That's okay. I shall ever so gently return the stick from whence it came and tell you "your chit doesn't stink". Carry on.
 
kindled1, how about a little transparency on your part? What's your name? Where do you live in Florida? Who are you endorsing in the races in which you have strong opinions there? What meetup are you a member of.

Your pseudonymity is off-putting to some, my advice would be to open up about who you are if you want to be taken a bit more seriously.
 
Gee if my personal information is required then why bother with screen names? lol

That's okay. I understand... newbie and all :)
I'm over 40. Single mother and small business owner. I lived in south Florida for 12 years and I'm now living in central Florida. I know of Diaz-Balart far too well. I still have friends down there. There are no Ron Paul candidates here for me to support. I research Ron Paul candidates and freedom candidates elsewhere. I support them as much as I can. I joined my local meetup group back in November.

One of the first questions I asked Mr. Santoro was if he was endorsed by Ron Paul. He said he was meeting with him on April 15th. When I heard about him endorsing Diaz-Balart I was naturally concerned. I didn't go around posting bulletins and posting on forums though. I went straight to Mr. Santoro. I don't know what was more disconcerting, his responses or his endorsement. He quickly lumped me together with some apparent conflicts of his own, even though I was one who informed him of such allegations. I just want to help true Ron Paul and freedom candidates get to DC.

Some people are limited financially and otherwise. With that in mind, I felt the only responsible thing to do was to share it. Partly to give him yet another opportunity to ease concerns and partly to shed some light on this matter for people who might be interested.

That's it. No hidden agenda's. No personal conflict. I seek the truth.

That enough?
Thanks mdh
 
I fully understand your concerns and applaud your attempt to sound the alarm on the potential for another fleecing of the voters.
Unfortunately, I think you may be misinterpreting the game of politics as it is played today.
I think you may be adding undue stress to an already stressful situation.
Politics is bad enough, but being distracted and having to take the time to deal with slanderous claims increases the hassle and stress of the normal BS routine.

Politics is a very dirty business. Lies, backstabbing, black lists, cheating, etc.
You must befriend people you'd otherwise not associate with or you will be cast out.
Smiles and slaps on the back so to speak.

Have you paid attention to the far from welcoming problems RP delegates have been experiencing?
The successful ones have managed to blend in to the crowd.
You discover common ground within the party, gain favor, gain the confidence of your peers and get elected.
The ones that openly admit RP support and attempt to take a hard line approach are invariably excluded by local GOP robots.
They have gone so far as to change rules, create last ditch effort "Slates", end meetings and call law enforcement to remove RP supporters.
Massive coordinated efforts are being planned to squash the presence of “Radical” supporters at many events, including the convention.
Will the confrontational approach be favorable to our goal or will pacification of the less informed party “Leaders” end in a means to victory?

The landscape has changed friend.
Survival requires wit, strategy and occasionally an unpopular agreement with others who are currently entrenched in the system.

We have a candidate willing to do whatever it takes to make a change.
As I understand it: the Congressional seat was going to be a major battle with a high probability of a loss.
By repositioning himself to run for Senate he has focused on a position that is integral to our goal and has significant reduction in the fighting required to win the seat.

The revolution will not happen over night, nor will it happen with a single candidate.
It is NOT going to be a pretty and easy victory. No major undertaking ever is, especially considering just how entrenched the current corrupt politicians have become.

If you feel that things are not going according to the outline you have developed…please by all means position yourself to obtain a house seat and win it for our cause.
That’s what we need: People who see the need and have the means to make it happen.
 
Resolved to answer your question

Actually I do live in Florida.

The topic of this thread is "Dean Santoro: You Decide". I more than welcome people to form their own opinions and adding to this topic only helps people to do just that.

I think Mr. Santoro's own post was most informative and revealing. I trust that people are fully capable of individual thought.

As far as the $33,000, (he does seem to enjoy speaking in the 3rd person) I quote Mr. Santoro's own comment and blog:

"The man who personally raised over $33,000 for the Ron Paul presidential campaign and has been formally recognized for his efforts."

"personally" indicates a specific person and no other is involved.

I am aware of his work with the Miami-Dade meetup group and give him credit where credit is due. I question how he can claim to be a Ron Paul Candidate, especially after his post here.

He was running for US House against Diaz-Balart. What happened that he chose to drop out of that race and instead run for Senate in another district? Why did the two of these men change their tune and begin endorsing and praising each other? If, as he says in his post here that he is running on his own message, what message is that? Ron Paul's message with a twist?

Run for senate. Why attach the Ron Paul name to it? He may have once supported and believed in Ron Paul and his message, but I can read his post here and question .... why?

Oh, I see. You do know of Dean from the Florida grassroots then. And your question clearly shows that the changes for political expedience here in Miami are certainly drawing questions from you. I wish you had framed your original statement like that.

Anyway, I will talk about this a bit more. What happened in the US House race for seat FL-21 was that a Dem with the money, fame and backing of the national party decided to run in the district, too. This fundamentally changed things in the election. For 3 weeks we had to measure our options with the shadow of a Democrat winning the seat (we did not have a contingency that a Democrat would make the challenge). In fact, the Dem running is former "super" mayor of the Cuban enclave of Hialeah that makes up a huge part of the electorate of the district. He is very popular there and also has the backing of the national Dem fundraising structure. To this point, both current campaigns for the district have raised in excess of the $1 Million while Dean only raised $10-20K (and understaffed I might say).

What choice did Dean have? Step out entirely? Or launch a futile effort in the face of electoral titans. I will stop there.

Moving on to the fundraising. In fact, more people were involved in organizing the $33,000 fundraiser (insignificant in light of the money being thrown around now don't you think?) such as Steve Smith (just off the top of my head). However, Dean was singled out for recognition by the campaign for the effort. There is no one involved that says this was unfair.

Now running for state senate seat against the current Florida House minority leader takes a pair. However, by working with the local party structure we are sure to be able to put up a good fight. He still supports Ron Paul and promotes his campaign when he can. Now, Santoro and Diaz-Balart support one another as Republicans in the local elections. That is just natural if the alternative is absolutely unacceptable such as in the case of this heavy-handed, top heavy, statist ex-mayor. Its a judgement call. If you want to fry him for that go right ahead (but it won't be constructive criticism unless you can tell us of different course of action... to this I do ask you to share your wisdom).

Also, don't forget that Ron Paul is running for national office. Most Paul talking points do not work for state campaigns. However, there are a lot of Paul-like positions that must be worked for the benefits for the citizens of Florida. Keep taxes low, property tax reform, education reform, improved services, and the like. There is much to do. We need your help.

Lastly, like I said, Dean for better or worse takes all of your comments to heart. He also takes this kind of questioning personally too (but as I see it only your tact was hard, your questions were not). Dean also responds to many emails and posts a day. I can assume that he did not put a lot of time to reply to yours and just ended up venting a little. Why a man should bother to let his feelings be known in such a potentially damaging way is strange at best. But that is what I like about Dean, he is a minimalist (who cuts through red tape and gets the work done with laser focus and determination).

Thanks for the question. I hope I was able to clear up any confusion. Please help Dean in his bid. Even in Miami, money is still key and ideas are welcomed.

Visit Dean for Senate website: http://www.politicalgateway.com/cand.php?id=684&page=cand
 
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I presented information with credible links to there sources. I had no idea that information was so frowned upon here. I think it's silly to spread the message of freedom, liberty and upholding the constitution and then be expected to vote for anyone simply because they decide to attach themselves to the name "Ron Paul"

But that's my opinion and I'm willing to agree to disagree. I'm too old for some of this banter (name calling and paranoia). I still don't know what Dean Santoro's message is. I still question his endorsement of Diaz-Balart and I am ever more doubtful of his character. He seems to be very bitter towards Ron Paul, his supporters, his message, his campaign and the fact that he got "NOTHING, ZIP. ZILCH. NADA" as he made quite clear in his post here.

I suppose wanting to be an informed voter has little value around these parts. Maybe it's reserved for vetted members. That's okay. I shall ever so gently return the stick from whence it came and tell you "your chit doesn't stink". Carry on.

There are quite a few policy ideas that we need help on please contact Dean through his website and let's get the ball rolling...

Dean's website:
http://www.politicalgateway.com/cand.php?id=684&page=cand

Please carry on with your critique. For my self I thank you for your effort.

Oh, also, Dean has ONLY run as a "Ron Paul Republican" to get attention for Ron Paul locally. There is a benefit among the Paul netroots to be called a "Ron Paul Republican" but that has been a consequence not the original intention. And finally, Dean did have RP's support (the endorsement was slow coming but was on its way) and he did have the Republican Liberty Caucus endorsement for the House race (now he has to get that changed).

Again, help! We are facing the house minority leader, a professional politician and lifelong Dem. Will you help us? If you do not know what Dean stands for email him directly and see if he will run with ideas that you might have.
 
I met Dean at his last meetup and made a contribution to his campaign.

I got an e-mail from meetup.com saying that Dean had resigned as organizer of the Miami-Dade Ron Paul meetup...now someone else is the organizer.

Anyone know why Dean resigned?


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I met Dean at his last meetup and made a contribution to his campaign.

I got an e-mail from meetup.com saying that Dean had resigned as organizer of the Miami-Dade Ron Paul meetup...now someone else is the organizer.

Anyone know why Dean resigned?

Possibly to focus on his own campaign...
whaddaya think
 
I met Dean at his last meetup and made a contribution to his campaign.

I got an e-mail from meetup.com saying that Dean had resigned as organizer of the Miami-Dade Ron Paul meetup...now someone else is the organizer.

Anyone know why Dean resigned?

If it is affiliated as a PAC, it would be illegal for him to still be chairman.
 
I think I can shed some light on this. There were two individuals I had to eject from my Ron Paul meetup: one for sexually harassing one of the female members (which she had to report ot the police) and the other for violent and threatening behavior toward other meetup members. They both cried foul and swore to have their revenge.
I'm surprised at a few of the nasty emails I received. It's unfortunate to see people's opinions can be swayed by spin on the facts.. but hey that's how the MSM accomplished the duping of America into McCain, Clinton & Obama.
Thanks to everyone who thinks on their own!!
dean
 
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