Daughters / Sons of the American Revolution

muzzled dogg

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i just found out that i'm a son of the revolution

anyone know what these national societies are about? is it worth filing the paperwork?

:confused:
 
i have all the paperwork filled out but haven't mailed it in -- thanks for the reminder!
 

I'll read these in full tomorrow (only just skimmed it)... I have a book's worth of reading queued up for tomorrow. I'm probably speaking in ignorance here, but when I wrote my original post (I've edited it 3 or 4 times since), I had nationalism instead of white ethnocentrism. I still contend that the whole point of promoting heritage is an effort to indoctrinate others with ethnocentrism and to then use the Founders (the vast majority racist, some even slaveholders) as superhuman authorities who should be trusted in full. Thus, we justify (mostly through cognitive dissonance, or as Kade would call it, willful ignorance) the unethical by claiming our attitude is too narrow-minded. After all, who are we to challenge a great and (might-as-well-be) sacred entity such as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or "Honest" Abe?


(Beware - a rant!) Organizations such as Stormfront regularly quote Founders (just look at this garbage). They mask their unethical racism with heritage and tradition. Indeed, they are one of the most obvious examples of "willful ignorance" To say that you wave a Confederate flag because you want to celebrate heritage is ridiculous. There are many more symbols or liberty and Anti-Federalism without the known baggage of the Confederate flag. While I'm ranting... Tolerance itself is racist. We tolerate the behaviors of others because they have "baggage" or because they lived in a different time! It's frustrating and contrary to the message of freedom! What is right and wrong ethically does not change over time or based on race. Murder is never acceptable, for example. Slavery is unacceptable (indeed, that does include usury!). Such disrespect should not be TOLERATED in any person, whether white, black, dead, or afflicted by mental retardation!

The celebration; the emotional attachment and faith in something which is not perfect is a trap! To have faith in imperfection is self-hating and will force you to live as hopeless nothing. There is absolutely NO reason to glorify people or collectives which are imperfect! Glorify perfect ideas, promote them, spread them, but to promote imperfection will only result in more imperfection. If you would not promote racism, why would you ever promote a racist?

There may well have been good people in the Revolution, but we must also remember that, at least, some of the American Revolution (almost every war, American or otherwise, really...) was fought with deception (hype/fear-mongering) and the oppression of their own individuals. As just one example, think of the draft in the American Civil War. Neither the Union or Confederacy permitted conscientious objectors to stay out of the war without somehow assisting in the murder of other individuals (originally, the Confederacy did not even permit the exclusion of COs from combat).

History books LOVE to promote ethnocentrism, nationalism and "Patriotism". These very books which glorify our Founders and "heritage" are the same which exclude their REAL history. They wouldn't dare present history objectively, less the State education department strip the company of the privilege to have their textbooks used in schools. Teachers are not permitted to espouse opinions, less they want to be charged with indoctrinating students. I see the very same "liberty-loving" people condemn moral relativism and political correctness while also condemning educators (and educational tools) daring to share their own views with students, whether it be their belief in Christianity or "liberal" views. God forbid someone tell students there is a belief system outside of their parents'. The parents' belief that they are freeing their child(ren) from indoctrination is just more willful ignorance in an attempt to control them for the parents' own selfish desires! The same parents who attack public education as indoctrination, INDOCTRINATE THEIR OWN KIDS!!!

*sighs and shuts up*
 
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My great grandmother was a Daughter of the American Revolution member (a direct decedent of Daniel Boone too). I guess that means that I could join.
 
I'll read these in full tomorrow (only just skimmed it)... I have a book's worth of reading queued up for tomorrow. I'm probably speaking in ignorance here, but when I wrote my original post, I had nationalism instead of white ethnocentrism. I still contend that the whole point of promoting heritage is an effort to indoctrinate others with ethnocentrism and to then use the Founders (the vast majority racist, some even slaveholders) as superhuman authorities who should be trusted in full. Thus, we justify (mostly through cognitive dissonance, or as Kade would call it, willful ignorance) the unethical by claiming our attitude is too narrow-minded. After all, who are we to challenge a great and (might-as-well-be) sacred entity such as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or "Honest" Abe?


(Beware - a rant!) Organizations such as Stormfront regularly quote Founders (just look at this garbage). They mask their unethical racism with heritage and tradition. Indeed, they are one of the most obvious examples of "willful ignorance" To say that you wave a Confederate flag because you want to celebrate heritage is ridiculous. There are many more symbols or liberty and Anti-Federalism without the known baggage of the Confederate flag. While I'm ranting... Tolerance itself is racist. We tolerate the behaviors of others because they have "baggage" or because they lived in a different time! It's frustrating and contrary to the message of freedom! What is right and wrong ethically does not change over time or based on race. Murder is never acceptable, for example. Slavery is unacceptable (indeed, that does include usury!). Such disrespect should not be TOLERATED in any person, whether white, black, dead, or afflicted by mental retardation!

The celebration; the emotional attachment and faith in something which is not perfect is a trap! To have faith in imperfection is self-hating and will force you to live as hopeless nothing. There is absolutely NO reason to glorify people or collectives which are imperfect! Glorify perfect ideas, promote them, spread them, but to promote imperfection will only result in more imperfection. If you would not promote racism, why would you ever promote a racist?

There may well have been good people in the Revolution, but we must also remember that, at least, some of the American Revolution (almost every war, American or otherwise, really...) was fought with deception (hype/fear-mongering) and the oppression of their own individuals. As just one example, think of the draft in the American Civil War. Neither the Union or Confederacy permitted conscientious objectors to stay out of the war without somehow assisting in the murder of other individuals (originally, the Confederacy did not even permit the exclusion of COs from combat).

History books LOVE to promote ethnocentrism, nationalism and "Patriotism". These very books which glorify our Founders and "heritage" are the same which exclude their REAL history. They wouldn't dare present history objectively, less the State education department strip the company of the privilege to have their textbooks used in schools. Teachers are not permitted to espouse opinions, less they want to be charged with indoctrinating students. I see the very same "liberty-loving" people condemn moral relativism and political correctness while also condemning educators (and educational tools) daring to share their own views with students, whether it be their belief in Christianity or "liberal" views. God forbid someone tell students there is a belief system outside of their parents'. The parents' belief that they are freeing their child(ren) from indoctrination is just more willful ignorance in an attempt to control them for the parents' own selfish desires! The same parents who attack public education as indoctrination, INDOCTRINATE THEIR OWN KIDS!!!

*sighs and shuts up*

Yeah, there's all that. But then again it's just kinda nifty to be related to revolutionaries who were key in forming America.

If I had no life, I might focus a lot on that. Oh wait, I have no life and I still don't focus on that. Hmm, if I had no life and was overly-concerned about "proving" that I was better than other people, I might be overly-concerned about it.

Hell, if I were related to Richard Feynman, I'd brag about it every chance I got. I think it's similar to that, in a way. But I'm admittedly not very much like the people I'm related to, so it's a kind of fun genealogical fact. Just like the fact that my maternal grandmother's family is from Transylvania. Fun!
 
I went through a lot of work to prove my line a few years back. It can be a LOT of work. I learned a lot about not only my family's history, but American and regional history. Well worth it.

I haven't done much with the organization since receiving my certificate, but it's nice to know I have it.
 
there was the day when FDR addressed the D.A.R as "my fellow immigrants"...

shemdogg, the noble outfits in question traditionally have often been quite stuffy...

keep in mind there are two "sons" of the revolution groups competing for membership

if you can tolerate some of the snobbery & quiet boredom that may go hand in hand, do join!
 
I'm supposedly related to Betsy Ross and Frank Cole (from the James gang, cousin of Jesse James). It'll be interesting trying to go back and trace my roots. Apparently on my fathers side of my family one of our relatives already did all of the grunt work of that side of our family tree and traced back our family all the way back to 1640.

I'm pretty interested in joining this org :).
 
it could prove to be quite fun, yet you also need a degree of patience
and a sense of history in order to get the most out of the group, i think!
 
i disagree with you about the confederate flag. many people choose to defend that particular flag because to them, the non slave-owning southerners who were persecuted during that war, the lost lives are what is an issue, not the freedom and liberty as much.

note in some southern cities, even those with borderline majority black populations, it is perfectly OK to wave that flag. for example, Atlanta, which was a victim of a major war crime during the war, it is very common to see the flag.

it all depends. however, from where I am from, there are people alive who had family members who lost family members in that war. it would certainly be someone elderly, but the tradition gets passed down.

the great majority of lives lost int he Civil War were just families who saw an invading army march onto their property and defended themselves as best they could, until they were gunned down in their own yard, wrong place at the wrong time style.

so to tell someone they can't fly a flag that to them represents a violent atrocity committed against them is just political correctness for political correctness sake. it is unfair that the race issue got injected into the Civil War after the fact for political cover, but it had little to do with it during the time. it was more about import/export tariffs.
 
shem thats awesome.... my boyfriends mom is very actively involved in DAR and heads up a KC chapter, its really cool stuff, shes on my facebook she could probably help answer questions for you so PM me on there if you want
 
My great grandmother was a Daughter of the American Revolution member (a direct decedent of Daniel Boone too). I guess that means that I could join.

axiomata,

I think we must be related in some way.


My Grandmother told me that Kit Carson was my Great, Great, Grandmothers Sisters Son. Not a direct relation but one she and the family were still proud of. She also said that the Carson side of the family was related to Danial Boone and the other Boone's in some way so she figured we were also. She said there wasn't a whole lot of people back then and we were all sort of intertwined.

I also found out recently my Mom is a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. I didn't know joining was a requirement. I sort of figure your born into it. Anyway my Great, Great, Great, Great, Grandfather was Nathaniel Venable. He started one of the first colleges in the newly founded country.

He was also a member of the House of Burgess when Patrick Henry made the "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" speech. I'm thinking. I could have it all mixed up though.

Reading up on him has been sort of a trip. Here are a couple that stood out for me. This first one seems like the main problem getting the college going was keeping the students fed.

" 'The chief difficulty was in procuring provisions for the students and in securing some one to attend to its preparation. Nathaniel Venable and James Allen, Sr., came to the rescue, pledged themselves to furnish twelve months' provisions, and contracted with Mr. Young to act as Steward and furnish board at twenty pounds per student, per annum.'



This one is about my Great, Great, Great, Great, Grandmother;

" 'When Tarleton and Arnold invaded Virginia, a detachment passed through Prince Edward on a general plundering expedition. This they could do with impunity as all the able-bodied men were absent in the American Army. They visited 'Slate Hill' with the purpose of capturing Nathaniel Venable; but he escaped them, having received timely warning of their approach. They committed some robberies, destroyed some furniture, and one of their number, with a pistol pointed at the breast of Mrs. Venable, demanded that she reveal her husband's whereabouts, or he would shoot her down. Her calm reply was, 'Fire away! My husband has his country to defend!.' At this instance an officer intervened and ordered away the man who had offered the indignity, severely reprimanding him.'


http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hagerj&id=I303699



The first time I read this I thought they were talking about collage kids and the American Revolution;


1861 - THE HAMPDEN-SYDNEY BOYS

At the outset of the Civil War the student body organized a company with the President, Dr. J.M.P. Atkinson (for whom Atkinson Avenue is named), as captain. These men, officially named the "Hampden-Sydney Boys," saw action in the disaster of Rich Mountain (July 9-11, 1861), were captured, and were paroled by General George B. McClellan on the condition that they return to their studies. The group was Company G of the 20th Virginia Regiment.

http://www.hsc.edu/About-Hampden-Sydney/History-of-H-SC/Military-Moments.html


Oh. Here is one about the college and the American Revolution.

Indeed, the original students eagerly committed themselves to the revolutionary effort, organized a militia-company, drilled regularly, and went off to the defenses of Williamsburg, and of Petersburg, in 1777 and 1778 respectively. Their uniform of hunting-shirts — dyed purple with the juice of pokeberries — and grey trousers justifies the College's traditional colors, garnet and grey.

http://www.lincolnshire-wolds.org/all-lincolnshire/2/51908.htm
 
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