Dating coach banned from several countries after internet feminist outrage over misogynist vid

I have lived in a (hipster part) of a fairly large city, a small town, and grew up in suburbia. I have never witnessed "PUA" tactics working in the adult world. In MY personal experience adults simply do not behave in the way the guys in those PUA videos do.

That might work in a college town full of drunken students, though.

We have 'clashed' several times since I've been here. I think we just have radically different worldviews and perceptions. We'll never see eye to eye on stuff like this.

You're still missing the point. Women subconsciously look for these traits in men, and some men have them naturally. They won't come off like PUAs. The PUAs are taking these traits and exaggerating them and throwing them in women's faces to get instant reaction and attraction. So what you see 'working' most often if you were honest with yourself is the same traits toned down.

Women tend to like goofy guys who constantly entertain them, yet don't seem to be doing it to get their attention and who can be overly dramatic. It keeps them interested and guessing. Women are often a bit ADD and need someone who can entertain them constantly so the PUAs act outlandish like that as a tact.

I live in a town with drunk college and post-college students and regular people of all ages as well as tons of tourists. It's a drinking/party town in general and there are two colleges with the most extreme party atmospheres in the country. But ultimately it is pretty much the same wherever.
 
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First this is a really bad argument, a lot of women stay in relationships like this for a long time due to these base sexual instincts. That is evidence they exist in and of itself. The fact that men who are able to obtain the most women use these traits to pick up and obtain women is not surprising, yet I do think it is sad.

But you still don't seem to understand that there is nothing preventing women from adjusting their attraction to other men.

For example, most guys are actually turned off when a female takes the active dating role. My base sexual attraction would then tell me not to be attracted to these women, yet I have no problem with women who take the active dating role. I made an adjustment, many women make these adjustments often and end up being with a guy who doesn't have these characteristics - although as I said before it is often less sexually centered and the men in these relationships can sometimes feel neglected in that the woman would do more sexual things more often for an alpha male type who treats them poorly and seeing this dynamic play out is what causes so many guys to treat women poorly.

All I'm saying is that feminists like to complain about how men treat women, yet women give the most sex to men who treat them poorly - they may SAY they like men who treat them better, but women on the whole give them less sex and so men think that what women really want is to treat them poorly.. men want sex because most men who aren't addicted to benzos and have a sex drive actually need to get laid once in a while so they can calm the fuck down and so they can focus on thoughts and other things besides how horny they are and how badly they need to get laid.

No, those women remain in abusive relationships because they have low self-esteem, have been convinced they can't do better, have suffered psychological trauma or are afraid of being further hurt/targeted/humiliated, among a myriad of other reasons. Simply rationalizing it as "base sexual instincts" is pretty laughable.

Also, you're wrong about women wanting to be treated like shit. Women want to be treated with respect, but not put on a pedestal. Sure, they might like being treated differently in bed, but that remains in the bedroom, not outside of it. Some people like being dominated, others like to dominate. You're generalizing women when in reality, those who "enjoy being treated like shit" are in the minority or wasted at a bar, later regretting it the next morning. Again, the attractive quality is confidence and having social tact goes a long way. You don't go up to a woman, slap her ass and tell her you're going to put your dick in her mouth. Will it eventually work on someone if you do it a million times? Maybe. What does a confident man do?

-Walk up to a woman in a social setting, strike up a conversation without hesitation. Don't put the conversational burden on them by simply saying "hi," and expecting them to take it from there. Be interesting. Women get hit on and harassed by random people every day. What makes you so special? Being humorous and interesting are always great ways to break the ice with anyone.

-Joke with her like you would a buddy, in a playful manner. You can be "cocky and funny" without resorting to being a chauvinistic pig. You know, a playful remark about some observation you made, or nudging her and calling her a little shit or something with a wink and a smile. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Women are people just like men. Why would you treat a woman like she's any better or worse than your male buddy?

-Don't get all worked up about sex like it's the end of the world if you don't get laid. Becoming bitter because someone rejected you or doesn't want to have sex and acting aggressive about it even when they say no, is abusive. End of story. Go home and make yourself a fucking sandwich and stop caring about the outcome.

-Be aloof and don't hound them 24/7 which makes you look desperate. Relax. Get some hobbies and hang out with them when you have the time and try setting a meet-up. Take initiative and set the day/time. Doesn't work out? Oh well, say you'll do it another time or suggest a different day. Big deal. There are plenty of people out there who will give you the time of day if it doesn't end well for you.

-Don't brag about anything, you'll come across as a major douche who's trying to qualify himself. If you want to bring anything up about yourself, let it happen naturally.


It should be stated that a lot of this is common sense but men have been programmed over some time to become doormats. Not that there's anything wrong with being nice, but as a result, actual assholes have been able to pass off their behavior as confidence. Of course, this false confidence eventually wears thin and their insecurities show, but I think it's a great thing for guys (anyone, really) to be more confident and happy with themselves regardless. Women should be treated like you would like to be treated—not as pieces of meat to be abused or counted as conquests while the double standard still exists where women are classified as sluts for sleeping around. A lot of these "PUA" followers take away the wrong ideas and feel like women owe them something. They think acting like a douche is the answer and that women should be treated like warm socks you jerk off into and toss away the next morning, dehumanizing them and high-fiving their bros. They become cunts, plain and simple.

Due to the way men and women have been socialized to fit specific gender roles, these things I mentioned are effective. I would like to do away entirely with gender roles and a society that encourages kids to behave in specific ways because they're male or female, but that's not our reality currently. Perhaps in a future world, both men and women will approach each other at similar rates instead of the conditioning that dictates men should aggressively pursue and women passively wait/validate. Feminism has a lot of good to teach us.
 
You're still missing the point. Women subconsciously look for these traits in men, and some men have them naturally. They won't come off like PUAs. The PUAs are taking these traits and exaggerating them and throwing them in women's faces to get instant reaction and attraction. So what you see 'working' most often if you were honest with yourself is the same traits toned down.


Yeah, you're right. Subconsciously women want a man who violate and humiliate them; dominate them. PUAs KNOW women more than they know themselves, like you said in your earlier post.

I am starting to get it now. So they are exploiting the inherent hardcore porn star in every woman and using their esoteric knowledge to exploit those unconscious instincts to have passionate animalistic sex with them to boost their manliness and Alpha male status.

That is so cool, bro. Have any book recommendations? Speakers?

Oh, any evidence?
 
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No, those women remain in abusive relationships because they have low self-esteem, have been convinced they can't do better, have suffered psychological trauma or are afraid of being further hurt/targeted/humiliated, among a myriad of other reasons. Simply rationalizing it as "base sexual instincts" is pretty laughable.

You're reading like one line of my posts instead of taking the whole thing into consideration. Look what I've written about dichotomy of what women's base sexual attractions are vs. what they 'want'. They aren't the same...
 
No, those women remain in abusive relationships because they have low self-esteem, have been convinced they can't do better, have suffered psychological trauma or are afraid of being further hurt/targeted/humiliated, among a myriad of other reasons. Simply rationalizing it as "base sexual instincts" is pretty laughable.


No way man. All women subconsciously want a man who will toss them around like a rag doll- that's why they stay, duh.
 
We should poll the women on this site to see what they think of all this pick up artistry.

Oh that's right! They don't consciously know they find it sexually appealing. Damn!

We need a study of some kind.
 
Yeah, you're right. Subconsciously women want a man who violate and humiliate them; dominate them. PUAs KNOW women more than they know themselves, like you said in your earlier post.

I am starting to get it now. So they are exploiting the inherent hardcore porn star in every woman, and using their esoteric knowledge to exploit those unconscious instincts to have passionate animalistic sex with them to boost their manliness and Alpha male status.

Now you're getting it, except that while for the PUAs and some men it may be to boost their manliness and alpha male status a lot of men are simply looking for female intimacy and have difficulty obtaining it and attempt to use the knowledge to obtain said female affection. They are confused why they aren't receiving it and look to what women want - they find out what women actually want in order to put out sex and most guys find out that women tend to put out when they are treated like shit and it completely mindfucks us. Men want to treat women nicely, but doing so just causes sexual frustration, anxiety and trauma so eventually many men cave and treat women in a way that will cause their base sex drive to kick in and lead to sex. Since this type of affection is required by most people especially those not addicted to dangerous pharmaceutical substances and since I have gone through similar experiences at various times in my life I can completely feel for these guys and understand why they intend on trying to obtain intimacy with females. That seems to be one of your major roadblocks.


Oh, any evidence?

It's all out there if you look.. and plenty of people here have had the same experience. Some are young, some are old, some are married, some are single. It's a pretty universal thing for most people to experience.
 
I've noticed it for years. It seemed women were interested in the "dangerous" men.
 
Why is it only men talking about women in this thread?

Where are the ladies?

Shit! I keep forgetting their opinions don't matter because subconsciously they all desire the same thing.
 
Yeah, that is definitely true. Women LOVE danger!
More like they are attracted to men they see as dangerous to a certain extent. The "leader of the pack", type of men.
Remember the song, "Leader of the Pack?"
 
Why is it only men talking about women in this thread?

Where are the ladies?

Shit! I keep forgetting their opinions don't matter because subconsciously they all desire the same thing.

I doubt that the pick up artists need for all women to want the same thing. They just need to be able to find the ones who want whatever that is and know how to exploit that weakness. It's kind of the same as other kinds of con men.
 
More like they are attracted to men they see as dangerous to a certain extent. The "leader of the pack", type of men.
Remember the song, "Leader of the Pack?"



Like attracts like. Interests attracts interests.

Not every woman wants the same thing. Neither does every man.

Not all men love bottle blondes with big boobs, you know.
 
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Like attracts like. Interests attracts interests.

Not everyone woman wants the same thing. Neither does every man.

Not all men love bottle blondes with big boobs, you know.
Of course, some of them love other men.
 
I doubt that the pick up artists need for all women to want the same thing. They just need to be able to find the ones who want whatever that is and know how to exploit that weakness. It's kind of the same as other kinds of con men.


Are you reading what dannno is saying? He suggesting all women subconsciously desire to be dominated.

Frankly, I don't think the PUAs are conning the women, I think they're conning the men who buy into it.
 
Yeah man, all men who don't like big breasts and bleached hair are obviously gay.
You said that, I didn't.

I'm not going to put everybody into the same basket for you though. I'll let you keep doing that.
 
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Who is the primary audience here for this "pick up artist"?

PUAs are a joke.

I'm done with this thread.
 
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