Jordan
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Agreed.
If we could take 5-6 of the safer Dem and Republican senate seats and 20 from each in the House, we would always be the deciding vote.
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Agreed.
If we could take 5-6 of the safer Dem and Republican senate seats and 20 from each in the House, we would always be the deciding vote.
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Wisconsin checking in here.
Wisconsin is a PURPLE state -- about 1/3 D, 1/3 R and most importantly about 1/3 Independents (and we have an open primary that lets you PICK which party primary you want to participate in, and then pick a different one the next time).
Feingold lost because:
- The independents in the state are SICK of Democrats -- everyone from Obama (D), as well as our State Governor (D), State Assembly (D) and State Senate (D) -- so they chose to "flip the pancake" again this time (on all the "vulnerable" offices) -- the Governor, Assembly and Senate are now all (R). Feingold (D) got caught up in some of the angst against all D's.
- Feingold let Obama campaign for him -- BIG MISTAKE -- granted he stayed at "arms length" away from Obama, but nevertheless, it compromised his position as a quasi-independent.
- Feingold ran a shitty ALL-NEGATIVE campaign. I have gotten about 2 dozen glossy expensive flyers from the Feingold campaign in the past few weeks, and every single one of then is all about how Ron Johnson this and Ron Johnson that, oh and Ron Johnson the other thing too! (Ron Johnson, Ron Johnson, Ron Johnson, Ron Johnson -- I have to wonder if the Feingold campaign were even aware that all they were really doing was building name recognition for... duh ... Ron Johnson). Conversely, even though I am on LOTS of (R) mailing lists, I only got two rather "tame" flyers from Johnson, both of them 1/2 position stuff about "Ron Johnson" and the other 1/2 attacking Russ Feingold.
- Feingold DID NOT run his quirky "normal guy" campaign -- which IMO was his BIGGEST MISTAKE. This time we didn't get a contract painted on his garage door (see... it's been painted over) -- we didn't get brutally honest statements about how F'd up Washington is (see that would be critical of the big "O" and I think he didn't want to do that this time -- in short somehow Russ got politically "compromised/castrated" recently and it showed in his campaign, which was standard professional-politician "try to throw MORE shit at your opponent than he throws at you" stuff).
- Feingold screwed up in voting FOR the healthcare fiasco bill (with all the crapola that it contains). Yes I know he believed it was the "right thing" -- but one of the primary reasons Wisconsin first elected and then kept re-electing Feingold was that he could nearly always be counted on to vote AGAINST these "all-in-one" monstrosity bills on the PRINCIPAL that no-one can possibly know what's in the damnable things. ERGO, buy voting for that healthcare mess, in the eyes of the independents that meant Feingold compromised and "sold out" on what we view as his MAIN value as our Senator. (And there was no "Oops" or even "I'm sorry", or "If I had a do-over...".)
And before you get your nickers in a twist, I voted for Feingold anyway (because I don't trust Johnson, I expect he will be a minor do-nothing, "(R)ubber-stamper" millionaire-by-inheritance/marriage Senator -- and Wisconsin already had one of those Herb Kohl (D) -- now we have two of them... blech) -- but it was Feingold's campaign to lose, and lose it he did. (And to that end, his opponent's accusation that Feingold had become "compromised" by Washington D.C. is entirely true -- his campaign itself proved it.)
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Edit: And yes I know DeMint "endorsed" Ron Johnson as a "Tea Party" guy -- but I'd say wait and see -- watch whether he joins Rand Paul's caucus as an active solid participant, or rejects it outright (or the most likely of all, he "nominally" joins and then Benedict Arnold's the whole thing).
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Bingo! You're not going to oust a seated republican with someone in the republican party. If you've got a non pro liberty republican in your district (that'd be most of them), consider being a democrat challenger. Just emphasize the antiwar, anti domestic espionage, pro civil rights and liberties sides of your platform.
Or, if you don't think you can pull that off, move where there's a vulnerable democrat.
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Correct strategy for the same reason we got yesterday's result. It would be interesting to knock off some hard core lefties in the primaries, and give the D establishment the same dilemma the R establishment now has.
This is one of the most frustrating elements when talking with liberals. Never mind the fact that we are slaves to a corporate master enforce by the government... the fed.
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Now THAT is some good thinking there Brother.
The Democrats are vulnerable on foreign policy, torture, surveillance, on the drug war, on the Wall Street bailout, etc.
Wow. How do we get this ball rolling?
Now THAT is some good thinking there Brother.
The Democrats are vulnerable on foreign policy, torture, surveillance, on the drug war, on the Wall Street bailout, etc.
Wow. How do we get this ball rolling?
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Agreed, I sincerely believe that this is the next step in the liberty movement. Of course, continue infiltrating the republican party - but now we must start infiltrating the democrat party. ESPECIALLY in heavily democratic districts, focus on civil liberties, patriot act, bailouts, war, surveillance, etc and point out the shortcomings of the incumbent and other typical democrats that are running.
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I am not sure why he thinks Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan are icons for everyone in the libertarian movement.
Even though the liberty movement made a few gains in these elections, there are still not many friends of liberty in either the Republican or Democrat parties. Hopefully Rand morphs into something more approximating his father's viewpoint now that he's safely in office, and the movement can educate people and politicians on the "correct" view for the country.
I've been doing a lot of thinking these past few weeks and at first I was ready to completely denounce electoral politics, but it can't really hurt to at least try to change the way people think.
I think liberals will almost be easier to convert (at least, some of them) because they are SUPPOSED to be concerned about wars, civil liberties, surveillance etc., and if we could possibly show them that the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans in this regard, we may have at least a partial exodus. I'm not really sure. I would just really start pushing those issues like SV mentioned - and gradually introduce economic truths to them later. Again, not really sure if this is a realistic plan, especially with the messes we have now.
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Fearing What They Never Had
Those people don't even realize how enslaved they are to our current government. They are so afraid of losing their "benefits" from their master. I laugh at them for clinging to the bars of their cages, never realizing the color of the key has only been swapped from blue to red.
Those people don't even realize how enslaved they are to our current government. They are so afraid of losing their "benefits" from their master. I laugh at them for clinging to the bars of their cages, never realizing the color of the key has only been swapped from blue to red.
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Something rarely seen over there: a link to a Ridley report video.
http: //www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x521942
The FSP may have helped take as many as 40 seats in the NH legislature. Meltdown ensues.
Jeepers - it seems like only yesterday when conservativism, free markets and the GOP were declared dead. We were going to be a one-party country from now on, IIRC.
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Thanks... opened new things about NH I didn't know: Liberty Ratings on Officials
http://www.nhliberty.org/2010_liberty_rating
http://forum.nhliberty.org/
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links for sick fascination's sake?
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Is it just me, or are the leftist comments all over the internet getting stupider by the day? Or is it just that the stupid ones finally learned how to use the internet?
Seriously, I have no idea where they're getting their bat shit crazy talking points from. For starters, why do so many of them think that Rand Paul getting elected is the worst thing to ever happen, when he's closer to them on more issues than 99% of the rest of Republicans?
Seriously, I have no idea where they're getting their bat shit crazy talking points from. For starters, why do so many of them think that Rand Paul getting elected is the worst thing to ever happen, when he's closer to them on more issues than 99% of the rest of Republicans?
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Because they are more motivated by philosophy than issues. As soon as Rand hesitated on segregated lunch counters, they decided that he was a closet Klansman, and that was that. Anything he says is either evil or a dastardly lie to ensnare the gullible.
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This thread should satisfy your sick fascination: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/3/916468/-Republicans-are-scum
The truth will be exposed on these people .
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Will MSNBC See?
I'd love to see pundits like Rachel Maddow expose those type of people. Oh, wait. She won't.
I'd love to see pundits like Rachel Maddow expose those type of people. Oh, wait. She won't.
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