Daily Kos quotes Ron Paul Forums | Paul Ryan Pick Swings Libertarians to Obama

[JoshLowry]

Dang images keep leaving my post for some reason. Thanks for quoting, one of my favorite ones out their currently. Speaks volumes.

Yea, that's really strange behaviour on imageshacks part.

I'm trying to figure out what just happened. I saved it and then saw it missing so reuploaded.

Maybe it got deleted?

 

[QuickZ06]

I just disagree. Romney seems to be more of the neo-conservative variety, and I'm tired of politicians who are so overly eager to take us to war. But I think if you look at things completely objectively, Romney is an improvement over Obama on issues like offshore oil drilling, taxes, regulations, unions, etc. Those issues don't overshadow the war issue, which is very important. But it just isn't accurate to say that both of them are "exactly the same." I just look at it from a different perspective.

He is doing exactly what he was told to do, fool the masses. And he is so good at it, it is even working on RP supporters.

 

[KingNothing]

Anyone who calls themselves a "Libertarian" and votes for Obama in 2012, knowing all he's done as President, is a retard.

This should also be quoted by Daily Kos, because it's a more accurate assessment of things.

 

[JorgeStevenson]

I just disagree. Romney seems to be more of the neo-conservative variety, and I'm tired of politicians who are so overly eager to take us to war. But I think if you look at things completely objectively, Romney is an improvement over Obama on issues like offshore oil drilling, taxes, regulations, unions, etc. Those issues don't overshadow the war issue, which is very important. But it just isn't accurate to say that both of them are "exactly the same." I just look at it from a different perspective.

I agree that Romney is probably better than Obama by a smidge. However, you have to think about the consequences of a Romney election versus the consequences of an Obama election. If Romney is elected, you are stuck with him for 8 years - there is no hope of running a different candidate in 2016. Are you prepared to sign-off on Obama-lite for a full 8 years? I think I would prefer Obama to get another 4 years than for Romney to get 8 years. After 8 years of Romney, the GOP will be stuck explaining all the liberal BS they signed off on just to show support for Romney, just like they did with Bush. Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, and the various bailouts of 2008 are an albatross that it will take conservatives years to recover from.

I'm in a swing state, and I'm voting Johnson (unless I can write RP in - still haven't determined if that's possible). If Romney loses my state, I want to send a message to the GOP - the libertarian side of the party is growing and you are going to keep losing until you run candidates that can prevent us from voting Libertarian. Running these centrist extremists is just not going to work.

 

[Brett85]

I agree that Romney is probably better than Obama by a smidge. However, you have to think about the consequences of a Romney election versus the consequences of an Obama election. If Romney is elected, you are stuck with him for 8 years - there is no hope of running a different candidate in 2016. Are you prepared to sign-off on Obama-lite for a full 8 years? I think I would prefer Obama to get another 4 years than for Romney to get 8 years. After 8 years of Romney, the GOP will be stuck explaining all the liberal BS they signed off on just to show support for Romney, just like they did with Bush. Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, and the various bailouts of 2008 are an albatross that it will take conservatives years to recover from.

I'm in a swing state, and I'm voting Johnson (unless I can write RP in - still haven't determined if that's possible). If Romney loses my state, I want to send a message to the GOP - the libertarian side of the party is growing and you are going to keep losing until you run candidates that can prevent us from voting Libertarian. Running these centrist extremists is just not going to work.

I understand where you're coming from. My position is basically that I would prefer that Romney defeat Obama, but I don't want to have a guilty conscience by voting for him, in the event that he gets our country involved in additional wars. My vote also doesn't matter since I live in a heavily Republican state.

I'm not necessarily sure why you say that we would have Romney for 8 years, however. If he becomes President and ends up being as bad as everyone says he is, he'll only end up being a one term President anyway. The Dems could run someone like Kucinich, who most people here would probably prefer over Romney.

 

[brandon]

I love that some stupid thing I write on a forum in the middle of the night while drunk can end up on a blog post with people seriously analyzing it. Lol internets rule.

 

[Danke]

I love that some stupid thing I write on a forum in the middle of the night while drunk can end up on a blog post with people seriously analyzing it. Lol internets rule.

You're famous infamous now!

 

[Anti Federalist]

"You can not give Reputation to the same post twice."

The Willie Wonka meme kicks ass.

I use these guys for meme faces:

http://memegenerator.net/Willy-Wonka

 

[devil21]

Then a mod would ban them under the new "low value post" rule.

It seriously irritates me that some of the members here (especially anaconda and brandon who have been Paul supporters since 07) would even consider voting for Obama.

Ive been considering it myself. One of the other posters was right that a lot of it is spite over the treatment RP and his supporters have received from people that are supposedly our "friends", or at least friends in comparison to the Dems. Im getting to the point where I want the GOP to suffer a HUGE loss and maybe the rank-and-file will start to wake up and ask themselves why they keep losing so badly? Oh that's right, you keep selecting liberals to run against another liberal then want to be shocked with the most predictable outcome of such a plan. Eye for an eye. We've been given the scorched earth treatment so there's an urge to give it back twice as hard. GJ isn't a terrible vote in the alternative if you want to make a (weak) point but I definitely understand considering voting for Obama to make a strong point. The GOP as it stands right now should NOT even come close to beating Obama. That only reinforces to the elites that control this charade that they can trot out any old POS politician with crap history and credentials and they'll still do well. That needs to stop.

 

[devil21]

It seems like Romney just does whatever he thinks is popular because it gives him more power. So if Romney comes to the conclusion that liberty is popular, is it possible that he could start moving in that direction?

FTFY

Moving in the direction of more liberty lessens Romney's power. He may talk about liberty more if he thinks its politically expedient but he will frame it in some doublespeak that makes freedom sound a lot like statism. He'll find a way.

 

[dillo]

As a registered republican, Ill vote for Gary Johnson. I feel like this is best way because if Romney loses by 5% to Obummer and Gary Johnson gets at least 5% then theyll know their tricks wont work on me. That being said, Romney and Obama have the same puppet master.

 

[Brett85]

As a registered republican, Ill vote for Gary Johnson. I feel like this is best way because if Romney loses by 5% to Obummer and Gary Johnson gets at least 5% then theyll know their tricks wont work on me. That being said, Romney and Obama have the same puppet master.

It seems like the word "puppet" is used by almost all of the libertarian posters here and on Facebook. I just find it interesting, because I've never seen the word "puppet" mentioned so often in the political arena, or at all.

 

[The Free Hornet]

I understand where you're coming from. My position is basically that I would prefer that Romney defeat Obama, but I don't want to have a guilty conscience by voting for him, in the event that he gets our country involved in additional wars. My vote also doesn't matter since I live in a heavily Republican state.

I'm not necessarily sure why you say that we would have Romney for 8 years, however. If he becomes President and ends up being as bad as everyone says he is, he'll only end up being a one term President anyway. The Dems could run someone like Kucinich, who most people here would probably prefer over Romney.

No, you do not get it.

If Romney is the winner in 2012 then he is 95% likely the GOP nominee in 2016. If he loses in 2016, we ought to have a shot in 2020. If he wins in 2016, the next best opportunity is likely 2024 (unless he left with great approval in 2020 AND TPTB have had their claws trimmed). Either way, it is 8 or 12 more years, not 4. Basic math.

 

[Brett85]

No, you do not get it.

If Romney is the winner in 2012 then he is 95% likely the GOP nominee in 2016. If he loses in 2016, we ought to have a shot in 2020. If he wins in 2016, the next best opportunity is likely 2024 (unless he left with great approval in 2020 AND TPTB have had their claws trimmed). Either way, it is 8 or 12 more years, not 4. Basic math.

Why can't we defeat Romney in 2016 with an independent candidate?

 

[r3volution]

Let's go to some random Internet forum where members are anonymous, pick out a couple of posts, and declare libertarians are flocking to Obama.

Got to love journalism.

kos is not known for its high standard , i know 2 people that need rep'ed though .

 

[Anti Federalist]

It seems like the word "puppet" is used by almost all of the libertarian posters here and on Facebook. I just find it interesting, because I've never seen the word "puppet" mentioned so often in the political arena, or at all.

Probably because the powers that be have never been so obvious and "in your face" about who really runs this show.

 

[Brett85]

Probably because the powers that be have never been so obvious and "in your face" about who really runs this show.

...

 

[low preference guy]

I love that some stupid thing I write on a forum in the middle of the night while drunk can end up on a blog post with people seriously analyzing it. Lol internets rule.

i hope to see this comment on HuffPo's front page.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Why can't we defeat Romney in 2016 with an independent candidate?

That's a good question but I suspect the odds of a 3rd-party/independent candidate winning in 2016 will be similar to 1988. I suspect a primary challenger is more likely and that would fit your reasoning however unlikely success is for such a challenge. I would support almost anyone who challenged Romney in 2016.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Tha usual suspects.

Do you think the people posting here are going to be corralled into doing something that benefits the GOP and/or Romney?

It's nice to see the head honcho in on the game of browbeating anyone who suggests they're going to vote for Romney, but posting only snide "you're trying to get people to support Romney" comments when anyone says anything about those pushing an Obama vote. Maybe all the Romney-bashers are Obama concern trolls, makes as much sense.

At least one can trust Ron Paul himself not to directly vote for a total zero such as Obama.