Cruz is better than Trump or Rubio, due to the Rand Factor - Let's Caucus for Cruz

[Brett85]

The problem is you were defending Cruz as a liberty candidate even before Rand dropped out. You promised me you would stop posting and come back on here when Rand lost and endorsed Cruz.

I never defended Cruz as a liberty candidate. I just questioned why Cruz was getting all of the criticism from liberty activists on this forum, while Rubio and Trump were largely being ignored, even though their records are worse from a liberty perspective.

 

[Gh34]

That's a fair point. Obviously Cruz isn't a liberty candidate, and Rand would've been far preferable to Cruz. I've just argued that Cruz is better than the other candidates when you look at the totality of the issues, not just foreign policy. But again, I understand and respect the argument against voting for the lesser of two evils. I didn't vote for Romney in 2012 and vote 3rd party instead of Republican in some races. But, at the same time I don't feel like I should have to vote a certain way just because people in the liberty movement are telling me to vote a certain way. I really resent that, and it makes me more likely to vote for Cruz because I don't like being told what to do and that I have think a certain way in order to be a member of a certain group. That's a dangerous way of thinking and not at all consistent with the cause of liberty. Everyone is a unique individual and is going to do what he or she thinks is right. We don't need to all just force ourselves to think a certain way in order to belong to a certain group.

"Look at what’s happening today. The dollar is crashing. [Our debate moderator] suggests that we think of the economy, but not in foreign policy. You can’t do that. They’re one and the same. That’s where all the money’s going. We’re spending nearly a trillion dollars a year overseas maintaining this empire."
-Ron Paul

That's neocon logic, and again, remember, Cruz was nowhere to be found when serious votes like 'Audit the Fed' came up, he was just posturing, like he did when he was sucking up to Trump for months before he then started attacking him. Cruz's true ideological roots are neocon in nature.

 

[squirl22]

I can't understand how anyone who was for Rand would or could vote for Cruz. He wants to kill people, including civilians, he wants to torture, he is an evil person.

 

[Gh34]

I never defended Cruz as a liberty candidate. I just questioned why Cruz was getting all of the criticism from liberty activists on this forum, while Rubio and Trump were largely being ignored, even though their records are worse from a liberty perspective.

It's the opposite, it's pro-cruz people who were marketing cruz as 'rand-lite', which is ridiculous, as ron paul says you can't think of the economy without foreign policy.

Rubio is about as bad as Cruz, but Trump actually is a little better on foreign policy, which is why many on here are now saying they like Sanders, because Sanders also has a relatively non-interventionist foreign policy.

 

[nikcers]

I never defended Cruz as a liberty candidate. I just questioned why Cruz was getting all of the criticism from liberty activists on this forum, while Rubio and Trump were largely being ignored, even though their records are worse from a liberty perspective.

Because Rubio takes voters from Bush, and every other thread on here was bashing Trump, we even banned the Trump Trolls.

 

[Brett85]

I can't understand how anyone who was for Rand would or could vote for Cruz. He wants to kill people, including civilians, he wants to torture, he is an evil person.

In the debate Cruz stood by his vote for McCain's amendment which banned waterboarding. Obviously Cruz isn't a liberty candidate and is bad on some issues, but at the same time it's important to be honest in our criticisms.

 

[Brett85]

It's the opposite, it's pro-cruz people who were marketing cruz as 'rand-lite', which is ridiculous, as ron paul says you can't think of the economy without foreign policy.

Rubio is about as bad as Cruz, but Trump actually is a little better on foreign policy, which is why many on here are now saying they like Sanders, because Sanders also has a relatively non-interventionist foreign policy.

I haven't criticized the people who are supporting Sanders or Trump either. I just think that people should be allowed to do what they want to do, rather than being forced to vote a certain way by others. But in regards to Sanders, he supports air strikes against ISIS, voted to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and supports some humanitarian interventions overseas. So the idea that his foreign policy is very non interventionist I don't believe is true.

 

[Gh34]

In the debate Cruz stood by his vote for McCain's amendment which banned waterboarding. Obviously Cruz isn't a liberty candidate and is bad on some issues, but at the same time it's important to be honest in our criticisms.

Cruz grandstands, that's Cruz's whole career, yet, when it came down to it, Cruz came out in favor of waterboarding. He did the exact same thing with skipping the 'Audit the Fed' vote, big talk, but no action.

 

[nikcers]

In the debate Cruz stood by his vote for McCain's amendment which banned waterboarding. Obviously Cruz isn't a liberty candidate and is bad on some issues, but at the same time it's important to be honest in our criticisms.

Cruz is a neocon, i won't vote for him for the same reason I won't vote for Hillary or Jeb. You can keep looking for reasons all day but you keep purposely being ambiguous and misleading people. I hope one day Karma bites you in the ass.

 

[Gh34]

I haven't criticized the people who are supporting Sanders or Trump either. I just think that people should be allowed to do what they want to do, rather than being forced to vote a certain way by others. But in regards to Sanders, he supports air strikes against ISIS, voted to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and supports some humanitarian interventions overseas, so the idea that his foreign policy is very non interventionist I don't believe is true.

Cruz supporters are the #1 attackers of Trump here, 'Don't go for Trump guys, go for Cruz instead!' Sanders is less interventionist than Cruz, undoubtedly, and he certainly isn't a neocon.

 

[Brett85]

Cruz is a neocon, i won't vote for him for the same reason I won't vote for Hillary or Jeb. You can keep looking for reasons all day but you keep purposely being ambious and misleading people. I hope one day Karma bites you in the ass.

I'm not trying to mislead people, but just explain why I'm supporting him over the others. But, I've made my point and will stop talking about Cruz until the election is over. I'll probably just come here for the purpose of promoting Rand's Senate campaign and not discuss this issue anymore.

 

[Brett85]

I promise that I won't mention Cruz anymore here. I'll stick to my word this time and won't keep discussing the issue. This is the last Cruz discussion I'll be engaging in on this website.

 

[nikcers]

I promise that I won't mention Cruz anymore here. I'll stick to my word this time and won't keep discussing the issue. This is the last Cruz discussion I'll be engaging in on this website.

Show Rand some respect he hasn't even suspended his campaign not even a week ago. Is it too soon? yes its too soon, maybe if you weren't defending Cruz in all of the threads of 2015 we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Brett85]

Show Rand some respect he hasn't even suspended his campaign not even a week ago. Is it too soon? yes its too soon, maybe if you weren't defending Cruz in all of the threads of 2015 we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Again, my point was just that I was wondering why Cruz was getting all of the criticism from liberty activists here, and not Trump and Rubio. But, you answered my point in one of your posts above. Thanks for that. I did support Rand until the end, as I made hundreds of phone calls for Rand before the Iowa caucus. I can copy and paste the text of the email if you want proof.

 

[Dr.3D]

BUMP FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE VOMITING

FIVE STARS

Arf, did you have to bring it up again?

Edit:
Crap, now I did it too.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Arf, did you have to bring it up again?

Edit: Crap, now I did it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCYTWNCacUw

 

[CPUd]

People campaigning for Trump or Cruz on a liberty board and being taken seriously is proof that the terrorists have won.

 

[Suzanimal]

People campaigning for Trump or Cruz on a liberty board and being taken seriously is proof that the terrorists have won.

Or Rubio, or Hillary, or Bernie, or Christie...or who else if left? I've lost track.

 

[squirl22]

People campaigning for Trump or Cruz on a liberty board and being taken seriously is proof that the terrorists have won.

No kidding...very sad.

 

[Dr.3D]

No kidding...very sad.

Yep, they all could suck peanut butter through a flat paper straw.