Cruz family Canada records could be available . . .

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

According to Canadian laws, she had to have been a permanent resident for at least four years before she could even apply to become a Canadian. Ted was born only three years after she went to Canada. There is no record of her having Permanent Resident status or of applying for Canadian citizenship.

Yes, but you'll have to quote actual Canadian law from 1970. I read that reported statement from the Cruz people too, but it must not be true - because his father did get Canadian citizenship for the same length of time. And they were both on the election rolls - which is enough proof to ask for a court to look at it.

Did the Canadian law change in the 70s, possible for Vietnam?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Dad was in Canada for eight years- that is enough time. Mom was only there three years before Jr. was born. That is not enough time.

Curious he chose Canadian citizenship over the US though. He fled Cuba in 1957 and was granted political asylum after his student visa ran out in 1961. He was in the US for a decade before he moved to Canada.

 

[Scott_in_PA]

Canada has maintained consistently cordial relations with Cuba, in spite of considerable pressure from the United States, with the island being one of the most popular international travel destinations for Canadian citizens.

Canada–Cuba relations can be traced back to the 18th century, when vessels from the Atlantic provinces of Canada traded codfish and beer for rum and sugar.[1] Cuba was the first country in the Caribbean selected by Canada for a diplomatic mission.[1] Official diplomatic relations were established in 1945, when Emile Vaillancourt, a noted writer and historian, was designated Canada's representative in Cuba. Canada and Mexico were the only two countries in the hemisphere to maintain uninterrupted diplomatic relations with Cuba following the Cuban Revolution in 1959.

Relations were especially warm in the 1970s and 1980s during the time when Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the Prime Minister of Canada. Trudeau spent three days in Cuba and sparked a lifelong friendship with Fidel Castro.[2] The visit was also the first by a Western nation to Cuba since 1960.[2]

Fidel Castro was among Pierre Trudeau's pallbearers at his funeral in 2000.[3]

Rafael Castro

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Dad was in Canada for eight years- that is enough time. Mom was only there three years before Jr. was born.

Well, I already know I'm being lied to, because reading Cruz spokesman's statement, it says Cruz mother was never a Canadian citizen, that it wasn't possible, but just accepting the law you quoted that Canada has, and assuming that is is the same as in 1970, she was definitely there long enough to have Canadian citizenship.

They obviously don't want to admit even that, because it still affects Cruz's birth - they are definitely lying that under the law, she never could have been a Canadian. Why?

The path to Cruz being a US citizen is hanging on the barest of threads. He is born in Canada. His father is a Canadian, and before that a Cuban, and doesn't want to be a US citizen. Cruz is given a Canadian citizenship at birth, and both parents are on the electoral rolls for Canadian elections. Were they citizens or did they commit voter fraud?

There is almost no path left for Cruz to have been natural born an American. Under the law of the US until very recently, there is no argument Cruz is not natural born. If you try to argue that he is one under recent law (well passed when the Constitution was made), because the mother retained her citizenship, you run into all types of problems, because these laws have all types of exceptions to them.

Here's some problems with this - likely wrong - meaning of natural born being met requirements:

• Mothers married to citizens who have children that are citizens have in the past gotten citizenship because of that. If, as you claim, they both didn't get citizenship at the same time, she may have gotten citizenship automatically through being a wife and mother. Ted Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate - and it indicates Canadia doesn't think Cruz is American. US servicemen with their wives oversees don't get these.
• Under traditional rules going back to common law, children born abroad whose parents didn't retain citizenship, lose it. It doesn't matter if Cruz's mother was or wasn't a citizen of Canada at that time. If Cruz was a Canadian citizen, and she renounced hers, he isn't also an American.
• The common law book I quoted above shows that dual citizenship was never recognized until very recently. It's a huge problem that is outside the scope of this thread, but by no stretch of the imagination would the natural born clause have included the concept of dual citizenship in it - it was specifically written to excludes such things, besides the fact the whole concept is very recent, way past when the Constitution was signed. Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate.
• She's on the electoral rolls for Canadian elections as an elector. There's no reason to automatically believe what a Cruz spokesman said after that.

At this point, with Cruz having a Canadian birth certificate, Cruz renouncing his citizenship for his presidential run, his father not denying his own Canadian citizenship, and the mother on electoral rolls for Canadian elections, Cruz needs to prove that he is a natural born citizen. The burden is on Cruz to prove it, not for us to assume it. And there is sufficient and reasonable proof to bring this into court - where it has already been brought. It is hardly a meritless case, and in court, full power of discovery and putting people under oath can be used.

 

[Wilf]

Canada has maintained consistently cordial relations with Cuba, in spite of considerable pressure from the United States, with the island being one of the most popular international travel destinations for Canadian citizens.

Canada–Cuba relations can be traced back to the 18th century, when vessels from the Atlantic provinces of Canada traded codfish and beer for rum and sugar.[1] Cuba was the first country in the Caribbean selected by Canada for a diplomatic mission.[1] Official diplomatic relations were established in 1945, when Emile Vaillancourt, a noted writer and historian, was designated Canada's representative in Cuba. Canada and Mexico were the only two countries in the hemisphere to maintain uninterrupted diplomatic relations with Cuba following the Cuban Revolution in 1959.

Relations were especially warm in the 1970s and 1980s during the time when Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the Prime Minister of Canada. Trudeau spent three days in Cuba and sparked a lifelong friendship with Fidel Castro.[2] The visit was also the first by a Western nation to Cuba since 1960.[2]

Fidel Castro was among Pierre Trudeau's pallbearers at his funeral in 2000.[3]

Rafael Castro

Point is.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Point is.

Perhaps that there was a reason that Ted Cruz's father 'didn't take the normal path of immigration at all'? - as several newspapers have said in those words.

 

[Wilf]

Perhaps that there was a reason that Ted Cruz's father didn't take the normal path of immigration at all - as several newspapers have said in those words? That Cruz's father prefers Canadian citizenship may be because he didn't really cut ties with communist cuba.

Thats pretentious.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Thats pretentious.

What's pretentious?

 

[Wilf]

Opposing a candidate because of they lived in a different type of government.*

(Note that I absolute detest Cruz).

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Thats pretentious.

In an interview near his home outside Dallas, the elder Cruz says that as a teenager, he fought alongside Fidel Castro's forces to overthrow Cuba's U.S.-backed dictator, Fulgencio Batista. He was caught by Batista's forces, he says, and jailed and beaten before being released. It was 1957, and Cruz decided to get out of Cuba by applying to the University of Texas. Upon being admitted, he adds, he got a four-year student visa at the U.S. Consulate in Havana.

Looks like it was accurate to me - and you haven't even read one sentence of Ted Cruz's background before coming on here with your name calling.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Opposing a candidate because of they lived in a different type of government.*

(Note that I absolute detest Cruz).

He fought in Cuba for Castro. When given the opportunity to live in the United States, he insteads gets citizenship in Canada which is friendlier to communist Cuba. He then retains that citizenship way beyond when it is necessary - as does his son Ted Cruz. Even newspapers call that an unusual immigration move. And it would raise red flags on any security background check.

I don't oppose Ted Cruz's candidacy because his father fought for Fidel Castro (he's already a lousy candidate). And this isn't a thread to be for or against Cruz. It's to properly vet him for ourselves when the newspapers and GOP haven't.

 

[Wilf]

Looks like it was accurate to me - and you haven't even read one sentence of Ted Cruz's background before coming on here with your name calling and insults.

I know more about Ted Cruz than you so please do not act like a know it all. However this thread seem more focus on the fact Cruz is a bad candidate because of "Canada" not because he stab Rand in the back, his "patrol Muslim neighborhood" policy, his ties to the bank. Also, I rarely see you outside the 2016 fourm.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

ie - no great mystery here. What is not being reported is Ted Cruz's father couldn't get US citizenship because he fought with the communists in Cuba.

That makes it more likely that his mother got her Canadian citizenship too, knowing the father couldn't at that time ever expect to be a US citizen.

 

[Wilf]

He fought in Cuba for Castro. When given the opportunity to live in the United States, he insteads gets citizenship in Canada which is friendlier to communist Cuba. He then retains that citizenship way beyond when it is necessary - as does his son Ted Cruz. Even newspapers call that an unusual immigration move. And it would raise red flags on any security background check.

I don't oppose Ted Cruz's candidacy because his father fought for Fidel Castro (he's already a lousy candidate). And this isn't a thread to be for or against Cruz. It's to properly vet him for ourselves when the newspapers and GOP haven't.

If call your self a libertarian, you would not disapprove the ideal of diplomacy.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I know more about Ted Cruz than you so please do not act like a know it all. However this thread seem more focus on the fact Cruz is a bad candidate because of "Canada" not because he stab Rand in the back, his "patrol Muslim neighborhood" policy, his ties to the bank. Also, I rarely see you outside the 2016 fourm.

If you know more then me about Ted Cruz, then you were trying to steer the conversation with insults, instead of sharing facts for us all.

 

[Wilf]

ie - no great mystery here. What is not being reported is Ted Cruz's father couldn't get US citizenship because he fought with the communists in Cuba.

That makes it more likely that his mother got her Canadian citizenship too, knowing the father couldn't at that time ever exect to be a US citizen.

Then how was he allowed into the United States?

 

[Scott_in_PA]

Point is.

Really.

IMHO Daddy never became a US citizen because he wanted what Fidel was offering. Maybe he went to Canada so he could travel to Cuba. Why else would he want to be a Canadian citizen? Oh ya US citizen could not go to Cuba... Well maybe he just wanted his Canadian neighbors to help pay for Rafael jrs' birth. You know from each and to each and so on ....

 

[Wilf]

If you know more then me about Ted Cruz, then you were trying to steer the conversation with insults, instead of sharing facts for us all.

Where am I insulting you?

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

If call your self a libertarian, you would not disapprove the ideal of diplomacy.

I also approve of security clearances and background checks, not the least of which is vetting a possible president of the United States.

No background check would ever read all that without asking - is Ted Cruz's father still a communist?

 

[Wilf]

Really.

IMHO Daddy never became a US citizen because he wanted what Fidel was offering. Maybe he went to Canada so he could travel to Cuba. Why else would he want to be a Canadian citizen? Oh ya US citizen could not go to Cuba... Well maybe he just wanted his Canadian neighbors to help pay for Rafael jrs' birth. You know from each and to each and so on ....

Or Canada had more lax immigration standards?