Crimea votes to join Russia, accelerating Ukraine crisis

[idiom]

Are you arguing that Putin has reversed a thousand years of Russian interference? Russia actually has the very same leader that brutally crushed Chechnya.

Russia and the US are involved. Russia overtly, and the US covertly. Its very easy to see what Russia inflicts, you usually don't find out how deeply the US was messing around until 30 years later.

 

[Mini-Me]

Question. Where did I say you were for Russian interference? I said I will disagree with you IF you defend those that ARE defending Russian interference.

Ah, fair enough. I misread your post and didn't comprehend the bolded words below (glossed over them):

"I disagree. I am against them both and will continue to call out against military intervention and the defense of it whatever side it is on. If you continue to defend the defenders of Russian intervention we will continue to disagree."

 

[idiom]

Question. Where did I say you were for Russian interference? I said I will disagree with you IF you defend those that ARE defending Russian interference.

The Russians should stay out of US client states. Ukraine's wealth belongs to the US and to Europe.

 

[klamath]

Russia and the US are involved. Russia overtly, and the US covertly. Its very easy to see what Russia inflicts, you usually don't find out how deeply the US was messing around until 30 years later.

Or did Russian covert operations fail so they went Overt? Russia has a long history of covert operations especially Putin who was KGB.
Both countries are wrong.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

All of this Ukrainian mayhem reminds me of the CIA/Mi5's copy cat foreign operations. 1953, the military, backed by Multiple oppositions groups, even groups that opposed one another, activated into street protests organized and financed by the CIA/Mi5, overthrew democratically elected Iranian leader Mossadeq.After overthrowing the government, the next operations were invoking worldwide media spin.

Today, you're hearing nothing but US Mainstream media alarmist spin from especially ALL the reknown US television celebrities broadcasters now embedded and reporting from Kiev, Ukraine.

Here's more sabre rattling below...

Turkey grants US warship permission to enter Black Sea

Published time: March 05, 2014 16:30
Edited time: March 06, 2014 13:07
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6th Fleet Destroyer Truxtun heads to Black Sea amid tensions
Mar. 6, 2014 - 11:42AM

The Navy destroyer Truxtun has departed Souda Bay, Greece, and is headed to the Black Sea. (Paul Farley/Navy)

By David Larter

The Navy is dispatching a destroyer to the Black Sea at a moment of mounting tensions over Ukraine, the service said Thursday.
The Naples, Italy-based 6th Fleet announced the destroyer Truxtun has departed Souda Bay, Greece, and is headed to the Black Sea. The announcement said the move was part of a previously scheduled series of exercises with the Bulgarian and Romanian Navy.
“The U.S. Navy is committed to helping enhance the security and stability of all European and African Nations, and our forward-presence, activities and engagements in this region are routine,” the release said.

The Black Sea and the status of the Ukraine-based Russian Black Sea Fleet is one of the central issues in the ongoing political crisis and comes a day after the Department of Defense announced it was moving six F-15 fighters and one KC-135 Stratotanker to Lithuania for NATO Baltic patrols.

Truxtun is part of the George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group, currently deployed in the Sixth Fleet Area of Responsibility.
The Truxtun was commissioned in 2009 and is manned by about 300 sailors. The ship is fresh off of its Hollywood moment, playing the destroyer Bainbridge in the Tom Hanks movie Captain Phillips, which earned several Oscar nominations this year.
A handful of sailors, including Truxtun commanding officer Cmdr. Andrew Biehn, played supporting roles in the film.

 

[politics]

All of this Ukrainian mayhem reminds me of the CIA/Mi5's copy cat foreign operations. 1953, the military, backed by Multiple oppositions groups, even groups that opposed one another, activated into street protests organized and financed by the CIA/Mi5, overthrew democratically elected Iranian leader Mossadeq.After overthrowing the government, the next operations were invoking worldwide media spin.

Today, you're hearing nothing but US Mainstream media alarmist spin from especially ALL the reknown US television celebrities broadcasters now embedded and reporting from Kiev, Ukraine.

Here's more sabre rattling below...

Turkey grants US warship permission to enter Black Sea

Published time: March 05, 2014 16:30
Edited time: March 06, 2014 13:07
Get short URL
6th Fleet Destroyer Truxtun heads to Black Sea amid tensions
Mar. 6, 2014 - 11:42AM

The Navy destroyer Truxtun has departed Souda Bay, Greece, and is headed to the Black Sea. (Paul Farley/Navy)

By David Larter

The Navy is dispatching a destroyer to the Black Sea at a moment of mounting tensions over Ukraine, the service said Thursday.
The Naples, Italy-based 6th Fleet announced the destroyer Truxtun has departed Souda Bay, Greece, and is headed to the Black Sea. The announcement said the move was part of a previously scheduled series of exercises with the Bulgarian and Romanian Navy.
“The U.S. Navy is committed to helping enhance the security and stability of all European and African Nations, and our forward-presence, activities and engagements in this region are routine,” the release said.

The Black Sea and the status of the Ukraine-based Russian Black Sea Fleet is one of the central issues in the ongoing political crisis and comes a day after the Department of Defense announced it was moving six F-15 fighters and one KC-135 Stratotanker to Lithuania for NATO Baltic patrols.

Truxtun is part of the George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group, currently deployed in the Sixth Fleet Area of Responsibility.
The Truxtun was commissioned in 2009 and is manned by about 300 sailors. The ship is fresh off of its Hollywood moment, playing the destroyer Bainbridge in the Tom Hanks movie Captain Phillips, which earned several Oscar nominations this year.
A handful of sailors, including Truxtun commanding officer Cmdr. Andrew Biehn, played supporting roles in the film.

The last thing we need is to have russians and americans dancing in the same sea.
Anyone can claim an Tonkin Gulf Crisis and justify any kind of actions with that.

 

[devil21]

Just saw a reminder about the US Army buying a shit load of AK mags last year and no one could figure out what need the US Army would have for them. Hmm...

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=38d3a1d5cc5a2de1c00cdc5b4836dde5

1. 592,825 (approx) AK Rifle Magazines: 7.62x39mm Caliber, New Production, Steel, 30 Round Capacity

Nope, no covert ops here.

 

[Pericles]

Just saw a reminder about the US Army buying a shit load of AK mags last year and no one could figure out what need the US Army would have for them. Hmm...

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=38d3a1d5cc5a2de1c00cdc5b4836dde5



Nope, no covert ops here.

Try Syria - Russian and Ukraine forces use 5.45x39 ammunition.

 

[devil21]

Try Syria - Russian and Ukraine forces use 5.54x39 ammunition.

Same principle applies. The specifics matter little. The story is the same.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Okay here's the latest, which you won't find(yet) in the news...


This directly out of Odessa, Ukraine. The Russian troops are in the city and there have been mandates inflicted;

1. All Citizens of the Odessa Oblast will quarter soldiers
2. All Citizens of the Odessa Oblast will speak only the Russian language



That is all for now...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Okay here's the latest, which you won't find(yet) in the news...


This directly out of Odessa, Ukraine. The Russian troops are in the city and there have been mandates inflicted;

1. All Citizens of the Odessa Oblast will quarter soldiers
2. All Citizens of the Odessa Oblast will speak only the Russian language



That is all for now...

Yes, because Putin is such a peach.

It should be a remarkably easy conclusion that both sides are evil here and it's the ordinary people who are suffering.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yes, because Putin is such a peach.

It should be a remarkably easy conclusion that both sides are evil here and it's the ordinary people who are suffering.

Yep, they're ALL evil. Everyday around the world, governments prove Libertarians to be right... oh an AnCaps too.

 

[compromise]

I'm not 100% anti-intervention. I think there are times a nation must intervene militarily to protect its strategic and economic interests. In this case, I view what Russia is doing as completely legitimate and necessary to secure their interests. An example of a US intervention I would have agreed with is if the US had re-annexed the Panama Canal Zone when they invaded Panama in 1989. I think the US should have never given up control of the Canal.

The liberty movement in the United States should have originally opposed this intervention for political reasons, in order to put America first.

For years now, we've gained a ton of traction within the conservative movement on foreign policy & national security issues, the rise of the Tea Party changing Republican opinions on the Iraq War and military spending along with the liberal interventions in Libya and Syria, Obama's NSA scandal, the infinite detention clause in the NDAA, etc. Conservatives became proponents of staying out of entangling conflicts, while the Democrats became the party of war.

This all changed when Russia invaded Crimea. American conservatives virtually unanimously lurched back into Bush mode as Obama sought to avoid a large scale geo-political conflict by using a soft power approach. Once again, we are alone on this issue and this will make it harder for someone like Rand to achieve the ultimate goal of the presidency.

 

[puppetmaster]

I cant help but think Snowden intel may have precipitated this event.

 

[pcosmar]

The liberty movement in the United States should have originally opposed this intervention for political reasons, in order to put America first.

The liberty movement had nothing to do with this event.
The intervention by the United States has been ongoing and continues . With some of your "Liberty" candidates egging it on.


Folks here now are simply observing the event.
But from my observations,, Thank God for the Russians putting some resistance to this Fascist takeover.

I truly feel sorry for the peaceful Ukrainians who are at the mercy of the thugs that have taken over the country.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Now I would like to point out... it's western media SKYNEWS aka NEWSCORP (US-UK-AU-CA-NATO based corporate media sources) reporting this. What I have been informed is the radical crazies are out in force;

Maiden-Nazi-Fatherland, UDAR, "Svoboda" Socialist-Nationalist Freedom, Communists

It's the Maiden-Nazis that are cracking skulls and starting the trouble in the metro areas. Not the Russian sympathetic-affiliated groups. So if you have contacts get the temperature... the consensus is those not party affiliated, living in the Ukraine, feel helpless with the NGOs and GOs causing all the problems.

Beatings in Ukraine as Putin stays put
Updated: 09:10, Monday March 10, 2014

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=956927

Pro-Russian activists have attacked supporters of Kiev's new leaders with clubs and whips as thousands rallied across Ukraine in rival demonstrations, while Russian President Vladimir Putin dug in his heels in the escalating standoff with the West.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel delivered a strong rebuke to the Russian strongman on Sunday, telling him a planned Crimea referendum on joining the Russian Federation was 'illegal' and bemoaning the lack of progress on creating an international diplomatic group to try to resolve the crisis.
In phone conversations with Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron, Putin in turn accused Ukraine's new leaders of failing to rein in 'ultra-nationalist and radical forces'.
He also defied Western condemnation of the March 16 referendum, saying the pro-Russian authorities in Crimea organising the vote were legitimate and acting 'based on international law'.
But in a clear sign of support for Ukraine's new leaders in the gravest post-Cold War crisis between Russia and the West, US President Barack Obama is to meet interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Wednesday.
Separatist tensions were running high Sunday on the strategic Black Sea peninsula which is now under Moscow's de facto control.
In Sevastopol, pro-Moscow militants wearing balaclavas and bullet proof vests, joined by Cossacks wielding whips, attacked a small rally for Ukrainian unity.
Thousands of supporters of integration with Russia also seized regional government headquarters in the eastern city of Lugansk and hoisted a Russian flag outside a security service building in Donetsk.
In Kiev, Putin's top foe Mikahil Khodorkovsky, a former Russian oligarch who spent a decade in Russian prisons, addressed a crowd of thousands on Independence Square - the epicentre of the protests.
An emotional Khodorkovsky said Russia had colluded with the former Ukrainian authorities in violence that claimed 100 lives over three months of demonstrations against ousted president Viktor Yanukovych.
'They told me what the authorities did here. They did this with the agreement of the Russian leadership,' Russia's former richest man said from a stage.
'I wanted to cry. It is terrifying. This is not my leadership. I want you to know - there is a different Russia,' he said, holding back tears, adding that Russia and Ukraine 'have a common European future'.
Yatsenyuk, who heads to Washington this week, vowed Ukraine would not cede 'an inch' of its territory to Moscow.
'It is our land,' he told a crowd of several thousand in Kiev.
A senior Russian lawmaker meanwhile said Moscow had set aside $US1.1 billion ($A1.21 billion) in aid for Crimea.
The tensions in Ukraine have stretched diplomatic relations between Moscow and Washington nearly to breaking point and regular talks have brought little except mutual accusations and grave warnings.
US Secretary of State John Kerry warned Saturday following his latest talks with Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov that continued Russian military defiance 'would close any available space for diplomacy'.
Illustrating the divisions in Ukraine, interim president Oleksandr Turchynov led a minute of silence at the Kiev rally for slain demonstrators.
In contrast, pro-Moscow activists in Donetsk paid tribute to a feared riot police unit accused of shooting at protesters in the explosion of violence in Kiev last month.
'Russia! Russia!' the activists, waving Russian flags, shouted in Donetsk, the heartland of the former president who fled to Russia after his overthrow.
Former boxer turned politician Vitali Klitschko was also in the industrial city and called for unity.
'It's very important today to be united. It's not important where people live - east or west of Ukraine, south or north,' Klitschko said, although he later cancelled a rally for fear of violence.
In Kharkiv in the northeast - a city almost evenly split between Ukrainian speakers and Russian speakers - hundreds of Orthodox believers gathered to pray for peace, kneeling in a city centre square.
Rival protesters in the Crimean capital Simferopol vented their anger at each other but their rallies were peaceful on Sunday, as Ukrainians celebrated the 200th anniversary of 19th-century poet and national unity figure Taras Shevchenko.
As the crisis has escalated, Washington has imposed visa bans on targeted Russians and Ukrainians and warned of wider sanctions against Russia, while the EU has halted visa and other talks with Moscow

 

[DFF]

It looks like Ukraine will turn into East/West Berlin post WWII.