Court Finds Man not Required to File Income Tax Returns on Wages

[BravoSix]

This is definitely going to be appealed.

The jury may have agreed with him, but that doesn't mean the appeals court or the supreme court will...

This was a criminal case and he was acquited, correct? Wouldn't trying him again would be double jeopardy?

 

[torchbearer]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

Claim 25 dependents.

 

[j650]

This was a criminal case and he was acquited, correct? Wouldn't trying him again would be double jeopardy?

Yes, I believe you're right that he cannot be tried again for the same criminal charges. However, I think the IRS can come back with a civil suit to attempt to collect the unpaid taxes. There was a similar case to this back in 2003, U.S. v. Kuglin which came to the same conclusion.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/News/IRSvKuglin-030808.htm

I can't find out if Kuglin ended up paying anything, but I assume she did or everyone would be doing this wouldn't they?

EDIT: http://www.memphisdailynews.com/Editorial/StoryDaily.aspx?story=digest&date=4/30/2007
Yep, Kuglin gave up the fight and agreed to pay more than $500,000 on 6 years income. The same will probably happen in this Lousiana case.

 

[nullvalu]

I live in NW Indiana...whoop whoop

cool, same here.. crown point.. you on the NW Indiana meetup? http://ronpaul.meetup.com/449

 

[DisabledVet]

Claim 25 dependents.

Unfortunately doing that will cause you to perjur yourself. Remember you cant file taxes without waiving your fifth amendment rights...its the verbiage under where you sign that says "under penalty of pergury"

 

[Bradley in DC]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

You can thank Milton Friedman for income tax withholding.

 

[rp4prez]

This is an awesome case!

http://www.triallogs.com/index.php/content/view/195/9/

 

[Thom1776]

I Haven't Filed In Over Ten Years, Myself!

There's No Law Requiring Me To!!

 

[Greystar]

This is a problem I am currently facing. I have contacted my payroll department for months to try to get them to not withdraw taxes from my check...they refuse to even listen to me. I live in Indiana and we are a "fire/employment at will" state. I have to be careful or I can see myself packing my desk.

unfortunately people like us must file or we lose a shitload of dough$$

Your employer should have a form you can fill out where you claim exemption from income tax. It's 100% legal in every way, but the IRS _will_ come knocking.

 

[dseisner]

So, is this a precedent? Can we all stop paying income taxes??

Yes. This is not the first, nor the thousanth. People win in tax court ALL THE TIME. Go to livefreenow.org to learn more - I do not benefit (monetarily) from you going there.

 

[nathanielyao]

bump

 

[SeekLiberty]

So, is this a precedent? Can we all stop paying income taxes??

You've been paying federal income taxes on your private labor?

- SL

 

[SeekLiberty]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

First you need to determine if you're a taxpayer or a nontaxpayer.

If you're a nontaxpayer, then Dave Champion can help you in your communication to your employer in a very diplomatic way for them to stop withholding. Employers have been scamed by our criminal Government into doing this.

So for real help, go to ...

http://www.nontaxpayer.org/

"If you are a nontaxpayer, or believe that under the law you should be a nontaxpayer, let Dave Champion assist you in structuring your private financial affairs to avoid being wrongfully ensnared into the "taxpayer" status by employers, banks, real estate firms, etc."

HTH,

- SL

 

[american.swan]

Is this as huge as I think it is?

No. Because this has happened time and time again for a few luck people who have been able to enter the required data into court. Like others are saying the IRS usually "bribes" the judge or some such thing and won't allow any Supreme Court anything into the court room. One case I think is talked about on the America, Freedom to Facism documentary shows one dude where the judge told the guy to shut up and basically said the Supreme Court is irrelevant in his court room during that trial and if I remember right he spent 11 years in jail.

What I do suggest the public do is read up on Contract law. From what I have read online, contract law is the only law so, your signature is more powerful then the public thinks.

When the IRS sends you that "pay up now" or "your behind" or "you owe more money then you know you've made" letters, check for a signature. There won't be one as far as I know. So just ignore it. You might even get another one, from a different department/return address, with no signature. They have no signature, because they have no authority. No one to answer to.

The federal government was sending me money, cause my father was on social security. anyway, they called me and asked for the last check that was mailed by mistake. Being a smart-a@@ 18 year old, I said sure, just show me the canceled check first. HAHAHA never heard from them again.

 

[SeekLiberty]

If you want, sure. The IRS will try to ruin your life, though.

That's TRUE ... if one doesn't know how to stay untangled from them, and falls into their web out of fear which is what usually happens.

If every private State Citizen understood and started following the LAW, our government would be cut way, WAY down in size virtually overnight.

Most Americans, out of fear, keep feeding the beast that shackles their Freedom!

The archelles heel in our criminal Government is MONEY. The big dragons to slay are the FEAR in Americans, and the FEDERAL RESERVE.

How big can Government be without individual income tax and "inflation tax"?

- SL

 

[SeekLiberty]

No. Because this has happened time and time again for a few luck people who have been able to enter the required data into court. Like others are saying the IRS usually "bribes" the judge or some such thing and won't allow any Supreme Court anything into the court room. One case I think is talked about on the America, Freedom to Facism documentary shows one dude where the judge told the guy to shut up and basically said the Supreme Court is irrelevant in his court room during that trial and if I remember right he spent 11 years in jail.

What I do suggest the public do is read up on Contract law. From what I have read online, contract law is the only law so, your signature is more powerful then the public thinks.

When the IRS sends you that "pay up now" or "your behind" or "you owe more money then you know you've made" letters, check for a signature. There won't be one as far as I know. So just ignore it. You might even get another one, from a different department/return address, with no signature. They have no signature, because they have no authority. No one to answer to.

The federal government was sending me money, cause my father was on social security. anyway, they called me and asked for the last check that was mailed by mistake. Being a smart-a@@ 18 year old, I said sure, just show me the canceled check first. HAHAHA never heard from them again.

The IRS will start with sending a letter asking for an address update. Most Americans, who think the IRS has jurisdiction over them to order this, like good little androids, will fill out the form in the letter out of OMG fear, and sign it.

IRS says: "GOTCHA!"

There starts the entanglement.

- SL

 

[american.swan]

The IRS will start with sending a letter asking for an address update. Most Americans, who think the IRS has jurisdiction over them to order this, like good little androids, will fill out the form in the letter out of OMG fear, and sign it.

IRS says: "GOTCHA!"

There starts the entanglement.

- SL

Very helpful info. I live abroad where the first 80k isn't taxable. And the USA is the ONLY nation requiring people to pay taxes while abroad. Forget it. They aren't going to get me to "confirm my address"

 

[Edu]

Bump - for Apr 15th protest info

 

[american.swan]

So, is this a precedent? Can we all stop paying income taxes??

Collect the volumes of cases similar to this one and keep them in a fire proof file cabinet and then stop volunteerily sending money to the IRS.

 

[Highland]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

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