Court Finds Man not Required to File Income Tax Returns on Wages

[torchbearer]

Tom Cryer should be the front man for the Ron Paul Revolution in louisiana.
Was there an email address for him?

 

[PatriotOne]

EVERYONE in the tax honesty movement has heard of Ron Paul

Are you in the movement Craig? Is the movement actively promoting RP's presidency also?

 

[torchbearer]

Apparently there have been many successful cases though. Not sure if this one is going to be any different or just slide under the radar of the public.

I think its the timing of it... as Ron Paul's message grows, so will the public conciousness to these things...
plus, as the number of favorable cases grow, the easier it gets to win these type cases.. if not in the original court case, then through appeal... because not all facts were brought out in the original case which had direct impact on a guilty verdict.

 

[Blowback]

Awesome

 

[Spirit of '76]

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[nullvalu]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

 

[CAKochenash]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

This is a problem I am currently facing. I have contacted my payroll department for months to try to get them to not withdraw taxes from my check...they refuse to even listen to me. I live in Indiana and we are a "fire/employment at will" state. I have to be careful or I can see myself packing my desk.

unfortunately people like us must file or we lose a shitload of dough$$

 

[PatriotOne]

Ok, so just curious.. My taxes are taken out automatically from my paychecks.. How would I go about not having my taxes taken out and just not filing? thanks

You need to go research the subject carefully null before you take any action on it. Maybe someone can provide you with a good link to a website where you can do that. I'm far from an expert on it but I do know there are lot's of risks being a tax protestor whether the actual laws are on the books or not.

 

[PatriotOne]

This is a problem I am currently facing. I have contacted my payroll department for months to try to get them to not withdraw taxes from my check...they refuse to even listen to me. I live in Indiana and we are a "fire/employment at will" state. I have to be careful or I can see myself packing my desk.

unfortunately people like us must file or we lose a shitload of dough$$

I somewhat remember I had an option at my employment as to have them withhold taxes or not. Perhaps the laws are different from state to state?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Is this "Ron Paul news"?

 

[Wyurm]

You need to go research the subject carefully null before you take any action on it. Maybe someone can provide you with a good link to a website where you can do that. I'm far from an expert on it but I do know there are lot's of risks being a tax protestor whether the actual laws are on the books or not.

I've seen examples of cases where judges have allowed the jury to understand the real laws, and cases where they have not. Its a gamble, and I assure you that if too many people win this kind of case, the IRS will be forced to make an example out of tax protestors, or else stop requiring anyone to pay taxes. I strongly doubt they will do the latter. So, its highly important to understand the risks prior to protesting. Once you understand the risks and if you are still willing to take them, I wish you the absolute best of luck.

 

[PatriotOne]

I've seen examples of cases where judges have allowed the jury to understand the real laws, and cases where they have not. Its a gamble, and I assure you that if too many people win this kind of case, the IRS will be forced to make an example out of tax protestors, or else stop requiring anyone to pay taxes. I strongly doubt they will do the latter. So, its highly important to understand the risks prior to protesting. Once you understand the risks and if you are still willing to take them, I wish you the absolute best of luck.

No doubt why the Tax Movement is behind Ron Paul also (at least from what little I have seen). It may be the last chance for quite some time to make some major progress on this issue. He has sooooo many people depending on him. I sppose that's a good thing though as they are also voters

 

[Downitburns]

I am 20 years old, live in Carmel, IN, and have not paid taxes since I was 18. I have exchanged numerous letters with the IRS about paying taxes. I keep on sending them a letter saying show me the law and I will gladly oblige to pay my taxes. I have not gotten a letter as of yet that shows me the law.

I have put ALL of the money that I should be paying into taxes into a low risk interest bearing fund JUST IN CASE I go to court and they will not let me educate the jury (which has been the case the MAJORITY of the time). I am a fan of standing up for what you believe in though. Let me know if you guys have any other questions

 

[nullvalu]

I am 20 years old, live in Carmel, IN, and have not paid taxes since I was 18. I have exchanged numerous letters with the IRS about paying taxes. I keep on sending them a letter saying show me the law and I will gladly oblige to pay my taxes. I have not gotten a letter as of yet that shows me the law.

I have put ALL of the money that I should be paying into taxes into a low risk interest bearing fund JUST IN CASE I go to court and they will not let me educate the jury (which has been the case the MAJORITY of the time). I am a fan of standing up for what you believe in though. Let me know if you guys have any other questions

I live in Indiana as well. Have any sites Indiana Nontaxpayers?

 

[dseisner]

There are thousands of these!

This is not the first time people! Thousands of people have won in tax court for willful non filing. Go to www.freedomlawschool.com to learn more.

 

[Craig_R]

http://www.givemeliberty.org/

www.losthorizons.com

These two sites are huge and have massive amounts of info on them, search around and you will find many many people either do not pay "income" taxes, or get every penny back by filing a correct information return (1040)

The laws are written to be purposefully confusing and they use common words, but within the legal language have totally different legal meanings.

on www.losthorizons.com you will find scans of actual returns hundreds of people have gotten back all by knowing the legal meanings of the words used in the tax laws.

"Income" ,"wages","salaries" ,"employer", and "employee" all have a very specific legal meaning. the supreme court has ruled on the legal meaning of these terms many times.

quite a few people have either had cases dropped after standing thier ground and proving the knew the law or were aquitted.

I recommend you do your homework before filing a return or stopping withholding.

although, the latter would be better, if you never sign a W-4 and claim that you make an "income" legally defined as profit from excersizing federal privalige, then they (IRS) have no case.

 

[CAKochenash]

I live in NW Indiana...whoop whoop

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Do not try this at home, kids. Without a specially trained tax attorney, some non-taxpayers have encoutered jail, prison, disfigurement, loss of home, loss of life, loss of wife, loss of limb, and sometimes loss of an entire tree.

 

[beermotor]

So, is this a precedent? Can we all stop paying income taxes??

This is definitely going to be appealed.

The jury may have agreed with him, but that doesn't mean the appeals court or the supreme court will...

 

[shrugged0106]

This is definitely going to be appealed.

The jury may have agreed with him, but that doesn't mean the appeals court or the supreme court will...

I'd be surprised if the SC hears an appeal on this. too many questions arise everytime these things get pub.