Coup d'Etat in Turkey Breaking?

[silverhandorder]

Obviously it's a bit early to speculate but I have a feeling that the Islamists didn't like the recent warming of ties with Israel. I doubt the warming of relations with Russia played as big of a factor as the warming of relations with Israel did.

It wasn't Islamists rebelling. It was people who are pro EU.

 

[Zippyjuan]

He is on TV at the airport anyhow. Conflicting stories of what is going on in the city. Would not call it "resolved" in either way yet.

 

[silverhandorder]

He is on TV at the airport anyhow. Conflicting stories of what is going on in the city. Would not call it "resolved" in either way yet.

Yup. That's why I said apparently. Otherwise it is chaos.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Sounds like he is using some "Skype" sort of communications since the coup group has the TV station.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara

Turkish’s elected president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has just spoken on live TV in Turkey (earlier, he delivered remarks via the highly unorthodox format of a FaceTime broadcast on a mobile phone shown to a CNN Turkey TV camera).

Erdoğan said the uprising was an act of “treason” and that those responsible will pay a “heavy price”, according to Reuters.

The president also said the prime minister has given orders to “eradicate” those who are shooting from the air.

He further said the uprising was carried out by a “minority” within the military who can’t stomach unity of the country. Erdoğan said some in military have been taking orders from cleric Fethullah Gulen and that the attempted coup shows the Gulen structure is an armed terrorist organization. Gulen has denied involvement.

According to Reuters’ translation, the president said he would not hand Turkey over to occupiers and said the cabinet is functioning in Ankara. Erdoğan further said he will stay “with my people”.

President Erdoğan also said his general secretary was abducted by coup makers, according to the Associated Press. There was no information on the chief of military staff.

Meanwhile in Istanbul, an official with the president’s office said more than 50 military officers have been arrested and large crowds have carried out multiple citizen arrests, the AP reports.

The reported reason for the coup attempt:

A military coup has been attempted in Turkey, in a bid to oust the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, accusing him of undermining the country’s secular traditions.

 

[silverhandorder]

In Russian news they saying his hotel was bombed shortly after he left. I think they were not counting on him being alive this late into it. His plane's trajectory shows him making circles half way towards Stambul clearly deciding what to do.

One of the squares got bombed where the army is.

APCs and tanks driving through the crowds.

It does not look like Egypt 2.0 the coup forces are taking too long to take control of the media.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The reported reason for the coup attempt: accusing him of undermining the country’s secular traditions.

I thought for sure we'd see something as a result of this very thing in Saudi Arabia before any place else. Especially given Western interest in the area and the similar divide that it's generating in their country.

 

[silverhandorder]

I thought for sure we'd see something as a result of this very thing in Saudi Arabia before any place else. Especially given Western interest in the area and the similar divide that it's generating in their country.

Turkey has a lot of secularists. Saudi Arabia is all religious.

 

[silverhandorder]

Ankara pro coup demonstrations. Stambul pro Erdogan demonstrations.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Turkey has a lot of secularists. Saudi Arabia is all religious.

Yes, I know. Secular divide...religious divide. Division of culture is division of culture. I just expected it in Saudi Arabia first is all.And specifically for the reasons that I provided.

 

[osan]

This thread just made me very sad... twice.

Under weigh?
Marshall law? Who the hell is Marshall?

Well, if that's all it takes to make you sad, then you'd perhaps best not think too long on the coup in question. That will likely make you truly miserable.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

To be fair, Turkey was recently getting too close to our enemy Russia in Syria. That said, there is no evidence in media of Kerry-DGP's masters' direct connection to this development.


Russia-Turkey coordination in combating terror gains importance
TASS-Jul 4, 2016
MOSCOW, July 4. /TASS/. Normalization of Turkish-Russian relations is caused by the need to coordinate efforts in combating terrorism, including in Syria ...

Russia and Turkey work together on Syria
The New Indian Express-Jul 2, 2016

 

[enhanced_deficit]

To be fair, Turkey was recently getting too close to our enemy Russia in Syria. That said, there is no evidence in media of Kerry-DGP's masters' direct connection to this development.


Russia-Turkey coordination in combating terror gains importance
TASS-Jul 4, 2016
MOSCOW, July 4. /TASS/. Normalization of Turkish-Russian relations is caused by the need to coordinate efforts in combating terrorism, including in Syria ...

Russia and Turkey work together on Syria
The New Indian Express-Jul 2, 2016

 

[LibertyEagle]

To be fair, Turkey was recently getting too close to our enemy Russia in Syria. That said, there is no evidence in media of Kerry-DGP's masters' direct connection to this development.


Russia-Turkey coordination in combating terror gains importance
TASS-Jul 4, 2016
MOSCOW, July 4. /TASS/. Normalization of Turkish-Russian relations is caused by the need to coordinate efforts in combating terrorism, including in Syria ...

Russia and Turkey work together on Syria
The New Indian Express-Jul 2, 2016

Let's see. The U.S. government funneled weapons from their CIA Outpost in Libya to Turkey for them to help overthrow Assad. Assad and Russia are allies. Since Turkey isn't under new leadership, why would Russia and Turkey be working together?

 

[enhanced_deficit]

It appears very recently Turkish civilian gov was trying to turn to Russia for war on terra in Syria ... if that is confirmed, it would translate to diminished partnership with US/allies despite past alliances.

Above statement was speculative but a U-turn in Turkish policy would not be too surprising if materialized considering recent spectacular terror attacks inside Turkey. US used to finance and arm Islamic Jihadis/foreign fighters in Afghanistan and after 9/11 made a sharp U-turn and started fighting them.





Edited to add:

From details that have emerged, Turkish coup attempt looks too amateurish to be planned by Kerry-DGP's masters but there may be an American connection to this development nonetheless:


Is man living in Pennsylvania responsible for Turkey coup attempt?

July 15, 2016, by Tribune Media

ANKARA, Turkey – Low-flying military jets buzzed over Turkey’s capital of Ankara. Soldiers blocked major bridges in Istanbul. State-run television announced that the military had imposed martial law.

In an interview via FaceTime on CNN Turk television, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan blamed the coup on an international opposition network.
That movement, known as Hizmet, is led by Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish imam and Islamic scholar who has been living in Pennsylvania in the Saylorsburg area.

http://fox2now.com/2016/07/15/is-man...-coup-attempt/



Former CIA Officials Give Turkish Coup Plotters Advice On CNN
Huffington Post

 

[BV2]

Coup has failed, media sources seem to agree. Maybe more action tomorrow? Maybe Central Turkey could secede, Ankara as capital?

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

http://www.turkishweekly.net/2016/0...s-of-turkish-military-discontent-before-coup/

For weeks there were signs that tensions between Turkey's secular military and the Islamist-aligned government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan were reaching a boiling point. Semi-public disagreements between the politicians and the generals, especially over Syria policy, were becoming all too frequent. Military briefings appeared increasingly to be at odds with government statements.

More at link.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...tempts-coup/2AixDJK3pZbbgM9iPUO1UP/story.html

7:45 a.m.

State-run Anadolu Agency is reporting 754 members of the armed forces have been detained across Turkey in the wake of the attempted coup.

Anadolu says that at the Etimesgut armored units training command, in the outskirts of Ankara, some soldiers who took part in the coup attempt were arrested by fellow officers or soldiers and handed over to police.

Even as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says the coup is being crushed and arrests made, it is not clear who is in control of military headquarters in Ankara. Erdogan has not left the Istanbul airport as dawn broke Saturday.

More at link.

 

[fr33]

Ataturk seems to have been a visionary in regards to what is needed in the Muslim world. A strong hand is needed to bitch-slap Islam when it grows too strong. It's unfortunate that the US government does not heed such advice when attempting to take out the strong hands holding back what would become ISIS.

There's no side to join from a libertarian perspective. Dictators and military coups vs theocratic fundamentalists.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Ataturk seems to have been a visionary in regards to what is needed in the Muslim world. A strong hand is needed to bitch-slap Islam when it grows too strong. It's unfortunate that the US government does not heed such advice when attempting to take out the strong hands holding back what would become ISIS.

There's no side to join from a libertarian perspective. Dictators and military coups vs theocratic fundamentalists.

I personally think you're looking at it wrong. It is impossible to say what the muslim world would look like without the meddling over the past half century+... but it is my feeling that propping up the dictators and funding the military coups (in addition to rebel groups and removing dictators that were old friends) is what has given the violent sects of Islam the room to grow (in area and people).... I'm not saying this hyperbolically, I honestly think we generally support the worst and most ruthless abroad. And the same people who have fucked up the muslim world have fucked up our world pretty bad too.

 

[fr33]

I personally think you're looking at it wrong. It is impossible to say what the muslim world would look like without the meddling over the past half century+... but it is my feeling that propping up the dictators and funding the military coups (in addition to rebel groups and removing dictators that were old friends) is what has given the violent sects of Islam the room to grow (in area and people).... I'm not saying this hyperbolically, I honestly think we generally support the worst and most ruthless abroad. And the same people who have fucked up the muslim world have fucked up our world pretty bad too.

I've definitely had the same opinion as you in recent years. But places like Thailand and Indonesia haven't been fucking up the Muslim world, yet they suffer from Islamic terrorism attacks frequently. Europe has opened the gates to let them all in and give them free services and welfare. Watch as they burn to the ground for it. IMO Muhammad himself would fit right in with the Islamic State. He lead armies just like them and promoted that type of aggression.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

I've definitely had the same opinion as you in recent years. But places like Thailand and Indonesia haven't been fucking up the Muslim world, yet they suffer from Islamic terrorism attacks frequently. Europe has opened the gates to let them all in and give them free services and welfare. Watch as they burn to the ground for it. IMO Muhammad himself would fit right in with the Islamic State. He lead armies just like them and promoted that type of aggression.

Europe has been in on the party themselves, so it isn't surprising that they'd face some bad jojo. And the people are fleeing Syria because Hillary decided to give it to ISIS to please Israel. Free services and welfare are no supplement for destroying a nation. It is just paying masses of people to be idle... that is in itself a recipe for bad shit.

I don't disagree there are bad groups within the whole that want to do bad things no matter what the outside world is doing... I think that is probably true for most groups you could classify people into... but on the whole I see some pretty abused countries of people and deep divisions caused by competing outside interests. I think they are holding up fairly well considering. Imagine another 20 years of the federal government stoking the boiling pot between the leftist groups and the nationalists groups here in America... we could have our own Sunni/Shia type rivalry here.