Corvette Forums moderator cannot STAND to hear the truth...

[jbuttell]

To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

Well, I haven't read your posts yet, perhaps you could use more tact, or not. But I have to say I encourage you to continue. This idea that we don't discuss these issues at work with our co-workers, or on any forum not designated as a "politics zone"... to pigeonhole all discussions of substance to isolated pockets is what's pushing society into more distinct strata, keeping people even more divided, seems like a bad idea to me.

Be selective with your delivery, but if it comes down to pissing people off from time to time or letting those 'like minded' people stay lost in their own rhetoric of failed policy... I encourage you to continue. Don't let people remain comfortable.

Sure, always refine your delivery and use energy where it'll bear most fruit, but don't back down.

 

[brushfire]

Depressing thread ...

I don't often run into that many people that ignorant. I hope I'm not isolated, and that that's not the norm.

Interwebz... you'll find a lot with them troll'n netz.

Nothing to be depressed about. Those people saying "Its a shame about his foreign policy, because his domestic policy makes so much sense", used to say "that guy's domestic policy is crazy! End the fed? What? WTF is the fed?

Being married, I know all about ideas... Victory comes when your ideas become their ideas. LOL

 

[amabala]

Would you hang out with those people in real life? Why put yourself through grief speaking with people like that.

Start flying with eagles bro. Leave the turkeys, they will end up getting slaughtered in the end.

What do you expect from a forum based on cars? No offense to you but that whole place seems superficial to me.

 

[Victor Grey]

Every time I hear about how Ron Paul's foreign policy being crazy, I have to remind myself I am dealing cowards that call themselves grown men. Emotional people akin tosome angsty teenage girl, who cringe the corner crying like a sissybaby in absolute below lady-like terror of third world nations whose greatest threat to us revolves around their ability to destroy A building possibly. Who hid it behind waving the national flag and beating their chests.

I don't like them. I don't even respect them anymore. It grates my nerves just the same as liberals who think they're entitled to take people's stuff to play social engineering experiments.

Sorry but the deal is, after I put down the emotion, my butthole drawls ups and I am not the one squirting filth all over myself in terror, like some incontinent slave, due to a bunch of losers 6000 miles away, whose greatest strike upon us consisted of hijacking four planes and leveling about that many structures once. Whose greatest threat to my life, was about 1 in 104002, on one single day, a decade ago.

No, that not enough, for me to give up a single freedom, and especially not enough to provoke me into spend my monies invading another unrelated country Iraq over it, and go around the world accidentally killing people that aren't even the enemy who hate us.
It is for those "patriots" however.

They aren't patriots, they're cowards that like to wallow in nationalism. To them power alone is what makes america "exceptional".

Some day when the money dries up, I wonder if they're all just going to seizure on the ground in subhumanlike sissycowardice, when their spending for all these ventures means we couldn't do it if we had to one day.

Or maybe then they'll get some damn sense and realize what they're pissing all over themselves over are bunch of third world nations with a few fanatics thrown in, who that can't do anything very much more than scare us a little using foul desperation tactics because it's all they've got.

No Ron Paul's policy isn't crazy, it's just sustainable, moral, sane, best for our safety in the long run and it offers us the ability to maintain our current rank in the world.
Simply, theirs soon does not. I'm not the crazy one, and sure aren't the coward.

 

[Sam I am]

No Offense, But the specific thread you linked lacked any substance from the beginning, and you never really did anything to introduce substance into it.

 

[Mattsa]

I've been posting on forums.corvetteforum.com and one of the moderators there likes to lock my threads when they can't answer my logic regarding liberty. The latest thread was locked after only 1 day...

Seems they didn't like a simple yes/no answer I put to them that none would answer...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pol...ersy/3022544-how-many-of-you-republicans.html

Of course I know that the forum is "private property" and they can do whatever they like there, but I am just pointing out how they "just can't handle the truth"

Here's what I wrote to the moderator "cor08vette":

You love to lock my threads when no one can respond to my logic...

So I put your neo-cons on the spot by showing their hyprocracy and your response is to "lock" my threads. Pretty heavy handed of you. What are you afraid of? You afraid that showing that NONE of the neo-cons dare answer a simple question shows how weak you guys are? Your positions are ANTI-constitution, ANTI-liberty, and Amoral. And you hate it when you see how empty your positions are...

Thanks a lot ...

Sorry to rain on your parade but that is a CAR forum.

Generally, moderators of forums which deal in non-political topics don't like their forums being hijacked by political activists, which frankly I believe is quite understandable and correct.

It isn't serving anyone's interests to promote political ideas on a forum about Chevrolet Corvettes.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

People are being way to harsh on the OP here. It's not about maturity/immaturity, it's about a personal history that has obviously existed for quite a while between himself, and the other posters. Some "I told you so" is always nice for a change. It's great to make a point, and an example of competitive between oppositions.

 

[TruckinMike]

OP --- I need you to hang out with me at the truck stops

Keep in mind that most of those "conservatives" have been conditioned by the "the faux conservative Radio Mafia". It makes it easier to deal with them once you accept that they have been brainwashed. Its kind of like convincing an over-confident spoiled child that it wouldn't be prudent to run along side an icy edge of the Grand Canyon. At some point you'll have to get serious with them before they fall.

TMike

 

[VBRonPaulFan]

you did a pretty piss poor job of defending Paul and his positions. you let a bunch of fellas throw out ridiculous assertions about Paul without ever answering them, and just kept posting over and over again 'answer my question', which is the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going NYEH NYEH NYEH.

when someone says something like 'paul is a racist', or 'his foreign policy is insane', you need to answer those logically and help people understand why they're incorrect. not look like a childish little kid.

 

[The Free Hornet]

To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

You should care so it is good to make the effort. Now, I am no good at arguing with people, but regarding the fundamental issue, "what is a republic":

How many of you "Republicans"
Know what a "Republic" is??

Ron Paul does...

http://communities.washingtontimes.c...republicanism/

I would bring up the republic issue against those who think we should be spending trillions of dollars in the middle east to spread democracy. The founders opposed democracies and we have seen that Christians in the middle east were far better off under brutal dictators than non-Christian mob rule. People need to know why democracy is bad (as well as any other "_ocracy").

Then you ask a question for which you are not going to get meaninful answers:

Yes, I know about the undeclared "Barbary Wars". Just because the constitution has been ignored when convenient, doesn't mean that it a good idea to do so...

Lets just put it to a simple "yes" or "no" answer...

We should violate the constitution: ( ) yes ( ) no

Please, each of you respond (I say "no")

The Supreme Court doesn't view itself as violating the constitution, they just interpret it however they wish. Also, you should challenge people like this Grumpy:

what Constitution? Even Mike Church agrees the Constitution is dead and he is Rep. Paul's biggest radio supporter.

Church is not seeing this as a good thing rather he is describing our current situation. Grumpy was a fish in a barrel and you let him get away.

 

[K466]

ChristianAnarchist,

Thanks for your efforts, at least- I'm sure you have made more substantial cases for Ron Paul there when he had a better chance of winning; reading that thread made me furious, almost want to join the forum and go whip their @$$*$. One fool said all he cares about he getting rid of Obama but ironically he plans to support a Republican Obama, lol, the fools that run this country, they deserve what is coming. Problem is, we suffer too.

The way you are treated there, I would feel like leaving.

 

[green73]

What a bunch of douchebags. You must REALLY love corvettes to hang out at that shithole.

 

[Gravik]

Looks like they got the "Chevy guy mentality" going.

I post on a Mustang forum and there's a bunch of pro Paul people that post there.

 

[dannno]

Wow, those guys are assholes, not surprising tho I suppose being a corvette forum.

I think the OP did pretty good.

 

[Mises_to_Paul]

Nice passion, but you might have tried a more strategic approach. It seems the people there have a serious amount of deprogramming to do before taking on serious topics. I realize that can be easier said than done nowadays.

Imagine the frustration and rage you feel when a socialist blames the housing crisis on "capitalism", or a Neocon blames 9/11 on the terrorists being jealous of our success and freedom (i.e-"THIS IS BASIC MATERIAL THAT CAN ONLY BE MISSED BY SOMEONE COMPLETELY UNINFORMED AHAHAHAHAH!!!).

That type of frustration and rage is what they felt when you started up in that thread. You have to understand how the message will always get funneled through the perceptions and biases the people in question hold. Break down the bad assumptions and the biases before you get to the critical and divisive issues.

But like I said, it's easy to criticize from a distance, and I think we are all frustrated. I know lots of times I want to do the internet version of screaming

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I got banned from a few forums for talking about RP and the issues too =s...

 

[Voluntary Man]

You come off as a self-righteous asshole, and are not doing us any favors by acting like a dick on a message board that isn't even somewhat related to modern American politics.

Also, if you're really trying to make the Ron Paul people look remotely sane, I would highly suggest you do your best to hide the fact that you're a "Christian Anarchist." Yikes.

Which part of that is insane?

 

[dannno]

It isn't serving anyone's interests to promote political ideas on a forum about Chevrolet Corvettes.

Bullshit... nearly every hobby is affected by politics. What about emissions standards (Fed vs. State), energy/gas prices (how the free market would affect their sport of choice and their car, how our foreign policy will affect it, etc..)

All this is related to political philosophy.

Not to mention, when you have a big enough community/forum, most tend to veer completely off subject anyway, for example this forum we have an "Off Topic" section where you can literally post about anything. Most forums have a lot of off topic posts, which makes sense. "What does (community X) think about (unrelated topic Z)?" You can fit a lot of interesting communities and topic combinations into that question.

It looks like the OP was a little on the aggressive side, but he made a lot of people there think about the Constitution and the rule of law that our country is supposed to be run on.

What he needs to do is watch the flow of the forum and make his posts in the proper sections so as not to annoy the owners of the site too much while simultaneously realizing that a minority of people are ALWAYS going to be pissed off every time you create a Ron Paul thread.

 

[Justinfrom1776]

Ha, when I run into ignorant people who like to Paul bash, I just lie to them.. Ultimately we are trying to win an election here. So if some asshole doesn't understand Paul's position on something... Just lie to him, get that dumbass to the poles. That's all that matters. I'm don't have the time to go around and philosophically repair every uninformed jack ass out there.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

ChristianAnarchist,

Thanks for your efforts, at least- I'm sure you have made more substantial cases for Ron Paul there when he had a better chance of winning; reading that thread made me furious, almost want to join the forum and go whip their @$$*$. One fool said all he cares about he getting rid of Obama but ironically he plans to support a Republican Obama, lol, the fools that run this country, they deserve what is coming. Problem is, we suffer too.

The way you are treated there, I would feel like leaving.

I'm very thick skinned (and stubborn) so I'm used to the BS. You should have seen the stuff I had to put up with on the freetalklive forum back in the day when people used to frequent it. I had a thread about "Christian Anarchy" that went to something like 10k posts. Some people started posting "Jesus porn" in my thread to discourage me, but I just looked at that tactic as throwing down the gauntlet. I told them that porn is not so offensive and I would show them offensive. I posted the most horrific images from rotten.com in the threads of those offenders. They finally cried "uncle" and no one ever posted offensive material in my thread after that...

I am a strong believer in fighting fire with fire.