Conspiracy

For what it's worth, I agree with you. Unfortunately there are a few very vocal people here whose minds are made up on the issue and will never see it as anything other than a conspiracy.

How exactly are you using the word 'conspiracy' here?


Are you using the media-defined version? or the dictionary-defined version?

"the act of conspiring together" - websters dictionary

"a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act" - princeton university.

Don't let the media define words for you ;)
 
How exactly are you using the word 'conspiracy' here?

When I hear the word "conspiracy", it conjures up an image of a group of individuals with malicious intentions performing covert acts to further their hidden agenda, and agenda that they've previously discussed and agreed upon.

I don't think that's what is going on with the world. I think the primary driving force in the world is people with good intentions and misplaced faith in big government. Take your average CNN watcher/reporter. All they've ever heard about in their life is how great the government is. They always talk about how they expect the government to save us from this or that. And when things start going wrong, they never blame the government. All they do is look to the government for more solutions.

This isn't the product of some insidious big-government conspiracy. It's simply a product of the fact that most people have never seen things from any other point of view. They've never even heard someone explain anything from a libertarian perspective.

So you take your average reporter, and tell him to do a story on a failing health care system. Of course he's going to approach it from the angle of asking the government to fix everything, because he's never thought of it from any other point of view. He probably has the best intentions, he just hasn't been educated well enough to look at things our way.

Our goal is to change things. That can't be accomplished by silencing a few powerful individuals who are covertly pulling the puppet strings of the entire world. Our goal can only be achieved by spreading our ideas about liberty and the proper role of government. Even if you think the Rothchilds are responsible for everything, the only way they can accomplish anything is through a complicit media and populace. The vast majority of individuals carrying out the big government agenda honestly (and mistakenly) believe they're doing the right thing.

In the end, it doesn't even matter whether you think it's a conspiracy or not. The objective is still the same, and the strategy is still the same. The only way we're ever going to change the world is by spreading ideas.
 
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When I hear the word "conspiracy", it conjures up an image of a group of individuals with malicious intentions performing covert acts to further their hidden agenda, and agenda that they've previously discussed and agreed upon.


I don't think that's what is going on with the world.

So you don't believe that the people at the top of any power structure, would be motivated to manipulate those beneath them for some sort of personal gain?

I think the primary driving force in the world is people with good intentions and misplaced faith in big government. Take your average CNN watcher/reporter. All they've ever heard about in their life is how great the government is. They always talk about how they expect the government to save us from this or that. And when things start going wrong, they never blame the government. All they do is look to the government for more solutions.

Yup... it's sad.

This isn't the product of some insidious big-government conspiracy.

Well, what you explained may not be however, Why did Bush lie about wmd's in iraq? Why have we been occupying Afghanistan for twice as long as ww2? Why are there over 700 bases in 130 countries? Why do world leaders consistently talk more and more about a "New World Order" as the economy worsens?

I agree, that the average citizen is unaware of what's going on in the world, which is why they see no problem begging government for help. However, just because they are uninformed and/or brainwashed doesn't prove or disprove a "conspiracy".


So you take your average reporter, and tell him to do a story on a failing health care system. Of course he's going to approach it from the angle of asking the government to fix everything, because he's never thought of it from any other point of view. He probably has the best intentions, he just hasn't been educated well enough to look at things our way.

Very obviously true, but this does not mean there can't be some sort of Agenda in order to ensure government stays in power. Maybe if the government-funded public schools would teach the history of the constitution again, we wouldnt have such ignorant reporters who have never considered not asking government for help.

You know, indoctrination through state-funded schools is something that is well-documented in history. It's not totally foolish to believe the same thing may be happening here.

Our goal is to change things. That can't be accomplished by silencing a few powerful individuals who are covertly pulling the puppet strings of the entire world. Our goal can only be achieved by spreading our ideas about liberty and the proper role of government.

Silencing the 'puppet masters' wouldn't work anyways. There is an entire power structure, and they would only be replaced.

I agree, spreading the message of liberty is the best way to combat this. We must wake up the average person, which will loosen the grip of the government on the individuals.

In the end, it doesn't even matter whether you think it's a conspiracy or not. The objective is still the same, and the strategy is still the same. The only way we're ever going to change the world is by spreading ideas.

I agree but, I hate how people say "Don't talk about this" or "you're a crazy idiot if you believe that", when the word "conspiracy" is used.

People really should adhere to the true definition of "Conspiracy", not the media-defined version!

But overall, i'm with you. It really doesn't matter too much if the "conspiracies" are true or not. The message of liberty is what matters.
 
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I'm actually pretty tired of the accidental/coincidental/people don't conspire/never happens/shit just happens/etc. "theorists" here too. :p :rolleyes:

"The bailouts are an inside job!"

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt
 
"I hate talk about conspiracy theories on RPF so f*n much, that I just have to start a thread about conspiracies on RPF. Yea, that'll teach 'em."

-OP
 
"I hate talk about conspiracy theories on RPF so f*n much, that I just have to start a thread about conspiracies on RPF. Yea, that'll teach 'em."

-OP
I have a theory that this thread was just another inside job. ;) :D
 
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Anybody else tired of conspiracy?

I'm tired of the "new world order" conspiracy existing, yes. Please read The Future Is Calling by G. Edward Griffin (for starters) for substantiation of its existence.

I mean...is it really worth talking about Rothschilds and Rockefellers

Yes.

as some pacifying notion that you know, people want to control others.

Lots of people want to control others. It is worth talking about these individuals because they have undue influence over our economy, public policy, and ultimately our lives, and they have the will and likely the political might to further consolidate that power.

I want to control others...I want no government and the right to freely associate. It seems counterproductive to "expose" others who have the same driving force that I have.

I suspect that you are using a very broad (weird) definition of "control". These people want to rule the world. You presumably want to protect freedom for all. If so, the type of "control" you want is simply stopping people from violating the rights of others. These are very different.

No, there are conspiracies. Happens all the time. Courts prosecute such and documents come out which validate suspicions.

Correct.

That's fine. But this "NWO" thing is blown way out of proportion. I'm sorry, it is. There isn't this secret cabal in a dark room plotting this, that, and the other.

No one said they met in a dark room. I have no doubt that their meeting rooms are well lit. They often do plot, this, that, and the other in secret, or at least in "private", however. The Bilderberg Group exists and has met yearly since 1954, unbeknownst to 99.99% of people until recently. The Trilateral Commission, founded by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski, has existed since 1973 and has dominated the executive branch since the election of Jimmy Carter. It is verifiable historical fact that The Council on Foreign Relations was a front for a small group founded by Cecil Rhodes with the intention of creating a world collectivist government; that its founder Edward House had the same intention; that members of the organization have since its inception called for the dissolution of national sovereignty, etc. Nearly half of the Board of Directors of the CFR are members of the Trilateral Commission, despite the fact that they make up only a small percentage of its overall membership.

And every person pushing an international agenda is not secretly trying to set up some order. Alot of people simply believe in internationalism.

This is correct. However, there is a relatively small and well defined group of people in the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, and a few other organizations that most certainly are trying to set up a consolidated power structure which they themselves have for decades called a "new world order", "new world economic order", "new international economic order", and other variations.

The evidence of this is abundant, but here are just a few statements which corroborate this fact:

"Where I differ from [then Governor Nelson Rockefeller] is in the suggestion implicit throughout his [1962 lectures at Harvard University] that… the United States must submerge its national identity and surrender substantial matters of sovereignty to a new political order. The implications in Governor Rockefeller’s presentation have become concrete proposals advanced by David Rockefeller’s newest international cabal, the Trilateral Commission. Whereas the Council on Foreign Relations is distinctly national in membership, the Trilateral Commission is international… It is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller screened and selected every individual who was invited to participate in shaping and administering the proposed new world order.” Barry Goldwater, With No Apologies (1979), pg 293

“What the Trilaterals truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the national-states involved… As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future.” Barry Goldwater, With No Apologies (1979), pg 299

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it" David Rockefeller, in his book Memoirs, pg. 405​

Doesn't mean they are getting daily text messages on what step to take next from David Rockefeller.

True. Fortunately few people, if any, believe that.
 
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But overall, i'm with you. It really doesn't matter too much if the "conspiracies" are true or not. The message of liberty is what matters.

This.

So, given that it doesn't affect what we're trying to do anyway -- promote liberty, and given that a large number of people here don't believe them, and given that it's most often a roadblock for those who would be otherwise interested in the message ... why do we need to keep talking about them?

I'm saying this honestly. If I believed in 9/11 truth, the bilderbergers, etc, I'd still not talk about it here. Because, it doesn't accomplish anything, and it only serves to drive people away.

That's my view, but I know it won't stop anyone from doing it ... maybe we can have a conspiracy sub forum so at least it's not on the main forums.
 
Learn about the banks and maybe one day you will "get it". The banking scam is a conspiracy, always has been. The bankers have been pushing for wars and welfare to get rich off of the loans that are created in the name of welfare and warfare, and the bankers are the ones pushing for the NWO shit. If you don't see it, you haven't looked. I'm sorry, but most people here just think you are foolish and naive.

Some people got really rich of the banking scheme, people you've never heard of. David Rockefeller is like the public figure version of the bankers, most of them are so ridiculously wealthy and out of the public sphere that people have a tough time comprehending what is actually happening.
 
"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." -- Lord Acton
 
Learn about the banks and maybe one day you will "get it". The banking scam is a conspiracy, always has been. The bankers have been pushing for wars and welfare to get rich off of the loans that are created in the name of welfare and warfare, and the bankers are the ones pushing for the NWO shit. If you don't see it, you haven't looked. I'm sorry, but most people here just think you are foolish and naive.

Some people got really rich of the banking scheme, people you've never heard of. David Rockefeller is like the public figure version of the bankers, most of them are so ridiculously wealthy and out of the public sphere that people have a tough time comprehending what is actually happening.

Suppose you're talking to someone who's never heard any of this. Which of the following two statements do you think is more likely to receive a positive response:

A. The bankers are part of the New World Order. They've been secretly controlling world politics for a century, and they're making themselves super-rich in the process.

B. The banking system is unfair, because there is no oversight of the Federal Reserve. They're devaluing the dollar, and making your savings worth less.
 
No oversight??? How many times has the Federal Reserve Act(s) been amended over the last 96 years? :rolleyes:

Are you talking about "marketing" or REALITY?
 
Personally I believe that we are moving towards one world government. I believe that the bankers have way to much control. I believe that the bankers at the FED are trying to influence the government and make a massive profit in the process.

However, I don't believe that the Trilateral Council or the FRC or the Bilderberg group are so powerful that they are pulling all the strings. Like Ron Paul I believe that the 9/11 Commision Report has flaws. I don't believe that members of the elite secretly trucked thousands of pounds of explosives into the Towers and Building 7, and blew a hole in the pentagon with a missile.

Yes, those in positions of power are doing everything they can to gain more power and money.

But, I find it laughable that a secret group of elite are in some dark castle telling guys like Obama what to do. Obama is just so stupid that he actually thinks what he's doing is good.

Like everyone else in power the bankers,, Bilderberg group, and the Trilateral Council are all trying to play everyone else so that they gain more power. They are all way to selfish to all be working together. Everyone in power has an agenda, but all of their agendas are not the same.
 
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I tend to be more on the side of "government doesn't work" as a reason to oppose big government.

As opposed to "a central group of people have things working so good that nobody can catch them".
 
Suppose you're talking to someone who's never heard any of this. Which of the following two statements do you think is more likely to receive a positive response:

A. The bankers are part of the New World Order. They've been secretly controlling world politics for a century, and they're making themselves super-rich in the process.

B. The banking system is unfair, because there is no oversight of the Federal Reserve. They're devaluing the dollar, and making your savings worth less.



Obviously B, which is totally wrong as you well know ;)


What is your point here? Unless they research the banking system, they are going to buy into the liberal argument?
 
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I tend to be more on the side of "government doesn't work" as a reason to oppose big government.

As opposed to "a central group of people have things working so good that nobody can catch them".

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
 
Obviously B, which is totally wrong as you well know ;)


What is your point here? Unless they research the banking system, they are going to buy into the liberal argument?


My point is that as soon as you start talking about conspiracies, everyone including me will think you're nuts and stop listening. If you talk about more tangible things, people will listen.

What's the point of talking of no one listens? (please feel free to answer that, Truth Warrior)
 
I have a few ideas
either apply for a mod job and ban everyone you dont like so that you can have your own forum Utopia
or start a new forum where what you consider conspiracy is banned from any discussion
 
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