Conspiracy

[ClayTrainor]

No, but it is ridiculous.

What? That the FED is conspiring against the free-market?


What exactly is so ridiculous about that "conspiracy"?

 

[futureleft]

What? That the FED is conspiring against the free-market?


What exactly is so ridiculous about that "conspiracy"?

Do you realize that most people hate the free market and don't care about the Fed?

 

[ClayTrainor]

Do you realize that most people hate the free market and don't care about the Fed?

Well, there are lots of those people but is it really "most"? I'm amazed at how many liberals defend the FED, and even plenty of 'conservatives'.

How about Bush lying about WMD's in Iraq, yet we're still there, occupying a sovereign land. Is that not some sort of "Conspiracy"?

Why do these wars not end, even though it's clear they are based on lies to most people. It must involve some sort of "conspiracy" man... i don't think it's all just a bunch of irresponsibility, although i'm sure that's a big factor.

However i agree that approaching people on this topic should be taken with care. I tend to stick to the constitutional arguments, but i think its' anti-intellectual to denounce anything with the word "conspiracy" attached to it.

 

[tremendoustie]

... i think its' anti-intellectual to denounce anything with the word "conspiracy" attached to it.

I agree, an intellectually honest person should use the dictionary definition of conspiracy, and not use it as a blugeoning tool, or a tool of ridicule.

The problem is, most people buy into the "paranoid and crazy" definition of conspiracy. That's why I think it's a bad idea to use this word. It doesn't actually have the dictionary meaning any more.

Same thing with anarchist. People piture bomb wielding thugs.
So, no matter what you believe, I would not use that word. It doesn't have the simple "no coercive government" defintion any more.

The purpose of speaking is to communicate, so I think we should pick words which do so most effectively.

 

[Spook]

Greed in itself is the root of the 'conspiracy'. Empires have always existed to take over the world, this is nothing new in history as far as I'm concerned. Lets face it, everyone that attends a government school is brainwashed and it is no doubt difficult to shake off a lie you've been spoon fed since birth. The battle is removing the ignorance and we see there is no 'conspiracy' but an open plot to reduce mankind to serfdom.

Conspiracy? Not to me. It's just history repeating itself...It's all hidden in plain sight but the masses have been blinded with ignorance. Educate the people and they will apply the remedy.

It all stems from 'the city' and an old foe that we've battling since 1776...

 

[pcosmar]

Do you realize that most people hate the free market and don't care about the Fed?

Do you realize that all those people that hate the free market have never seen one.
Their opinion means what exactly?

Fact is Most people are ignorant slobs that will sell themselves into slavery for a few Magic Beans.

 

[revolutionary8]

I'm actually pretty tired of the accidental/coincidental/people don't conspire/never happens/shit just happens/etc. "theorists" here too.

"The bailouts are an inside job!"

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

I call 'em Coincidence Theorists. They are infuriating

Look, even left gatekeeper Noam Chompsky commented on the Tri-Lateral Commission and it's power as being a "coincidence"
in The Carter Administration: Myth and Reality
Noam Chomsky
Excerpted from Radical Priorities, 1981
.......
Perhaps the most striking feature of the new Administration is the role played in it by the Trilateral Commission. The mass media had little to say about this matter during the Presidential campaign -- in fact, the connection of the Carter group to the Commission was recently selected as "the best censored news story of 1976" -- and it has not received the attention that it might have since the Administration took office. All of the top positions in the government -- the office of President, Vice-President, Secretary of State, Defense and Treasury -- are held by members of the Trilateral Commission, and the National Security Advisor was its director. Many lesser officials also came from this group. It is rare for such an easily identified private group to play such a prominent role in an American Administration.
....
The Commission's report is concerned with the "governability of the democracies." Its American author, Samuel Huntington, was former chairman of the Department of Government at Harvard, and a government adviser. He is well-known for his ideas on how to destroy the rural revolution in Vietnam. He wrote in Foreign Affairs (1968) that "In an absent-minded way the United States in Vietnam may well have stumbled upon the answer to 'wars of national liberation.'" The answer is "forced-draft urbanization and modernization." Explaining this concept, he observes that if direct application of military force in the countryside "takes place on such a massive scale as to produce a massive migration from countryside to city"
.....
Intellectuals come in two varieties, according to the trilateral analysis. The "technocratic and policy-oriented intellectuals" are to be admired for their unquestioning obedience to power and their services in social management, while the "value-oriented intellectuals" must be despised and feared for the serious challenge they pose to democratic government, by "unmasking and delegitimatization of established institutions."
.....
The crucial task is "to restore the prestige and authority of central government institutions, and to grapple with the immediate economic challenges." The demands on government must be reduced and we must "restore a more equitable relationship between government authority and popular control." The press must be reined. If the media do not enforce "standards of professionalism," then "the alternative could well be regulation by the government"
http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm

 

[Truth Warrior]

I call 'em Coincidence Theorists. They are infuriating

Look, even left gatekeeper Noam Chompsky commented on the Tri-Lateral Commission and it's power as being a "coincidence"
in The Carter Administration: Myth and Reality
Noam Chomsky
Excerpted from Radical Priorities, 1981
.......
Perhaps the most striking feature of the new Administration is the role played in it by the Trilateral Commission. The mass media had little to say about this matter during the Presidential campaign -- in fact, the connection of the Carter group to the Commission was recently selected as "the best censored news story of 1976" -- and it has not received the attention that it might have since the Administration took office. All of the top positions in the government -- the office of President, Vice-President, Secretary of State, Defense and Treasury -- are held by members of the Trilateral Commission, and the National Security Advisor was its director. Many lesser officials also came from this group. It is rare for such an easily identified private group to play such a prominent role in an American Administration.
....
The Commission's report is concerned with the "governability of the democracies." Its American author, Samuel Huntington, was former chairman of the Department of Government at Harvard, and a government adviser. He is well-known for his ideas on how to destroy the rural revolution in Vietnam. He wrote in Foreign Affairs (1968) that "In an absent-minded way the United States in Vietnam may well have stumbled upon the answer to 'wars of national liberation.'" The answer is "forced-draft urbanization and modernization." Explaining this concept, he observes that if direct application of military force in the countryside "takes place on such a massive scale as to produce a massive migration from countryside to city"
.....
Intellectuals come in two varieties, according to the trilateral analysis. The "technocratic and policy-oriented intellectuals" are to be admired for their unquestioning obedience to power and their services in social management, while the "value-oriented intellectuals" must be despised and feared for the serious challenge they pose to democratic government, by "unmasking and delegitimatization of established institutions."
.....
The crucial task is "to restore the prestige and authority of central government institutions, and to grapple with the immediate economic challenges." The demands on government must be reduced and we must "restore a more equitable relationship between government authority and popular control." The press must be reined. If the media do not enforce "standards of professionalism," then "the alternative could well be regulation by the government"
http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm

Thanks!

"The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are." -- H.L. Mencken

 

[Invalid]

TW

What do you think of Justin Raimondo? Do you think he'd make a good presidential nominee?

 

[constituent]

Ween't you complaining about me doing what you're doing? And you're brand new here.

yea, but he's reached the lucky posting number (420), so cut the guy some slack....

at least until he posts again.

 

[constituent]

The only weapon that we can use or that can be used against us is philosophy.

I almost agree so i thought this deserved quoting.

 

[constituent]

Internet communities seem to form up around certain conspiracies and they feed off each other, it's kind of a vicious cycle.

We must be ultra skeptical about any conspiracy-related discussion, here or anywhere else.

qft

 

[Truth Warrior]

TW

What do you think of Justin Raimondo? Do you think he'd make a good presidential nominee?

I like Justin. I don't want ANY "presidential nominees". The least of evils is still just bloody frickin' evil.<IMHO>

"Freedom, Peace and Prosperity" -- Ron Paul

 

[Invalid]

Why would he be an evil so long as he doesn't expand the government in anyway?

You can still support secessionist movements at the local level. Why not try to get someone in who will try to stop the expansion of the government though and be receptive to secessionist movements?

Is there anything WRONG, likely glaringly wrong, with Raimondo? Every time I find a politicians I end up hating him.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Why would he be an evil so long as he doesn't expand the government in anyway?

You can still support secessionist movements at the local level. Why not try to get someone in who will try to stop the expansion of the government though and be receptive to secessionist movements?

Is there anything WRONG, likely glaringly wrong, with Raimondo? Every time I find a politicians I end up hating him.

When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.' The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. -- H L Mencken, Baltimore Sun (26 July 1920)

 

[Invalid]

So?

What does that have to do with Raimondo being an acceptable candidate? Who cares if he can't or can win.

 

[Truth Warrior]

So?

So, what? Read the the last few posts again, please.

What does that have to do with Raimondo being an acceptable candidate?

Nothing. Is Justin running for POTUS?

Who cares if he can't or can win.

Doesn't that kind of miss the whole point of running?

Thanks!

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

People can be corrupt and greedy without being part of a secret plan to take over the world. Someone you're talking to is probably going to be a lot more quick to accept the theory of greedy corrupt people, of whom we know many, than a secret plan to take over the world.

You just risk discrediting yourself, and therefore our message, for no good reason.

It's like a pickpocket is in the process of taking the wallet out of our pocket, and we've got to stand around theorizing about the guy's 20 year plan to start a mafia group and take over the city. Let's get everyone to notice and stop the pickpocket. If we can do that, he sure as heck won't be taking over the city.

A lot more people will disagree with these NWO conspiracies than will disagree that we're being robbed. We need all these people to stop the robbery now, and so that should be our message -- you're getting robbed! Getting everyone to stop the robbery is the best way to stop the NWO, if it exists, anyway. But if we insist on promoting NWO conspiracy theories, they're more likely to be able to discredit us, and more likely to get away with the theft.

DING DING DING! Give this person a cigar for using his brain. Drop the stuff most view as kooky if you want them to join the movement. It's pretty fuking simple. Talk about shit they think is nuts and we lose them. It's really simple.

 

[constituent]

So?

What does that have to do with Raimondo being an acceptable candidate? Who cares if he can't or can win.

hi justin

 

[paulitics]

OMG! Huge Conspiracy thread on Hannity forums. They are all going to associate this with Ron Paul and think we are loons.

Not!

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1373631

Give people a chance. People are learning. Almost everyone of these "hannitized" guys are
breaking out of the matrix right now, and saying stuff like "I should have listened to Ron Paul.
He is not a crackpot.

Look. Ron Paul talks about the Fed being private all the time. Glenn Beck is talking about it, millions of people are watching the Obama deception and are learning about it. The Federal Reserve is the biggest conspiracy of all time. I can't think of a bigger fraud, a bigger deception, being perpetrated than this. How foolish to not see the oportunity here.

People need their world turned upside down in order to understand why foreign interventionism is wrong, etc. When they understand that it is not in America's best interest, they understand everything. In order to understand this, they need to know how our monetary system works.


The percentage of those who accept this to be true and join us, will be much higher than if they did not learn about the federal reserve system at all.