Conspiracy theorists - Do they hurt the Liberty movement?

Even bringing up things like the TSA has gotten me labeled conspiracy theorist... It's being used as a way to demonize thinking men.

And that's exactly their intent:



They have constructed a two-word tool to instantly and immediately discredit anybody who presents an idea contrary to any official story. This was their design. To silence anybody who questions the official story. Any official story.
 
The net of "conspiracy theorist" has been drawn so large as to question any rational persons thoughts and criticisms.

Even bringing up things like the TSA has gotten me labeled conspiracy theorist... It's being used as a way to demonize thinking men.

Exactly. Fuck everybody that uses that term against someone, they're all dirty piece of shit Statists.
 
And that's exactly their intent:



They have constructed a two-word tool to instantly and immediately discredit anybody who presents an idea contrary to any official story. This was their design. To silence anybody who questions the official story. Any official story.


+rep to you sir :)
 
Do you look at my sig? They flat out stole the nomination from Dr. Paul. In a fair fight he'd be President Elect right now.

No, I hadn't seen that. Thanks for pointing it out. I am sure what you say is true, although I still don't know the extent to which the whole thing was altered. I am certain it was a very significant amount, but it is indeed possible that that is an understatement.
 
(glancing at some shill in a uniform) "These guys are the kind of people that think Elvis is dead." - Fox Mulder from the X-Files:D On a serious note, think about it:

If this world wasn't a a giant conspiracy you wouldn't have a few families owning a third of the globe and the rest of us magically in the chains of their organized tyranny. WTF people!!! These "accidents" do not just happen.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLTcusT8IE&feature=share

Here is something else for you to watch idiom and anyone else who thinks that their visual reality on 9/11/2001 wasn't manipulated in some way! No fraud in telling the truth about what you find! When was the last time you heard anything like that discussed on the mainstream news around September?
 
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absolutely they hurt the liberty movement...and I'm sure there are shills paid to deliberately do this...look at different forums and they're on both sides...some will just mock and attack just about anything liberty oriented...and then if you talk about other issues, they will slowly diverge it somehow to abortion, gay rights, entitlements, etc etc... they don't want you talking about the corporations, or the military industrial complex, etc etc.....I was even told by a moderator in another forum that there are members that just create different acctts (with the same IP address) to argue points ... I'm sure they're paid, but have no proof... they just go around several forums and create bullshit arguments and spew misinformation...after a while, it gets pretty obvious

then you have the ones that say they're RP/liberty guys that sound good for the most part, but then dilute everything with zombie apocolypses, reptilian underground satanic elites that run the world, etc etc.... there are a few sites I'm on and its the same people over and over, and that is all they do...
 
absolutely they hurt the liberty movement...and I'm sure there are shills paid to deliberately do this...look at different forums and they're on both sides...some will just mock and attack just about anything liberty oriented...and then if you talk about other issues, they will slowly diverge it somehow to abortion, gay rights, entitlements, etc etc... they don't want you talking about the corporations, or the military industrial complex, etc etc.....I was even told by a moderator in another forum that there are members that just create different acctts (with the same IP address) to argue points ... I'm sure they're paid, but have no proof... they just go around several forums and create bullshit arguments and spew misinformation...after a while, it gets pretty obvious

then you have the ones that say they're RP/liberty guys that sound good for the most part, but then dilute everything with zombie apocolypses, reptilian underground satanic elites that run the world, etc etc.... there are a few sites I'm on and its the same people over and over, and that is all they do...

Mmmmmm....okay. ^That has to be the most disjointed, incoherent, inaccurate and illogical post I've ever read. Conspiracy theorists want to talk about abortion and gay marriage and they don't want to talk about corporations or the military industrial complex? Are you serious or trolling?
 
Mmmmmm....okay. ^That has to be the most disjointed, incoherent, inaccurate and illogical post I've ever read. Conspiracy theorists want to talk about abortion and gay marriage and they don't want to talk about corporations or the military industrial complex? Are you serious or trolling?

sorry, late, and I'm out of it.... didn't mean that..just saying that IMO, there are shills out there that act as conspiracy theorists...and there are some out there, that try to diverge topics so as to get both sides, dems/reps, side tracked, and talking about the not so important topics such as abortion, gay marriage, etc etc..... hope that made better or any sense yet...sorry, haven't slept yet...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLTcusT8IE&feature=share

Here is something else for you to watch idiom and anyone else who thinks that their visual reality on 9/11/2001 wasn't manipulated in some way! No fraud in telling the truth about what you find! When was the last time you heard anything like that discussed on the mainstream news around September?

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That is not what you were claiming. There is a world of difference between:

"I think the video recordings of 9/11 and what people witnessed were manipulated in some way"

and

"This declassified document identifies the weapon that hit the pentagon as a Russian SCUD missile somehow modified for surface skimming"

As for the video.... oh dear.

a) it is irrelevant to your argument
b) whoever posted it misrepresents it in the title, claiming it is about passport issuance which it is not.
c) the content of the video is not only part of the official story it has been the subject of hololywood movies like Charlie Wilsons War and Green Zone.
 
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Really enjoyed reading ex FBI translators, Sibel Edmonds, book "Classified Women" over Christmas break. She documents all the people & specific evidence she discovered whcih allowed the 911 attacks to take place. When you add other creditable whistleblowers like Coleen Rowley, Robert Wright, Michael Springman & Col. Anthony Schaffer etc..it's obvious that at the very least people inside our Gov. allowed 911 to happen.

This could absolutely be proven with their testimony if there was a Federal Judge who was on the up & up re: Law & Justice.
 
I want to thank the OP for keeping 9/11 truth on the main forum by starting this thread on the main forum regarding whether or not conspiracy theories hurt the liberty movement. A conspiracy theorist never would have been able to get away with this.
 
I love this country just as much as anyone else. I love my freedom, our quality of life and the access to luxuries that we embellish in on a daily basis. I love this country so much that I believe it is a harmful to not question those which would scour the reputation of such a great country with nefarious practices.

I would 100% believe the investigative report for 9/11 if all the glaringly obvious questions asked, were answered with facts. In our Court system, a man is innocent until absolutely proven guilty - testimony, evidence, argument from both sides, review from your peers, and lastly nonobjective conclusion is met. We call that due process and hold it sacred (Use too I guess) but when you question anything regarding the Government it deems you a conspiracy theorist.

We've got a 24/7 media that can collar the beast of Public Opinion and the current is that asking anything about Building 7 will put you in the same category as a terrorist, un-American, a nut. I see it as being patriotic. If there is still a chance, until proven otherwise, that the people responsible for the lives of 3000 Americans (Not including the subsequent wars to follow) are still walking among us; do you not owe it to those lives to bring them to justice?

Silence is the biggest disservice here.
 
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I love this country just as much as anyone else. I love my freedom, our quality of life and the access to luxuries that we embellish in on a daily basis. I love this country so much that I believe it is a harmful to not question those which would scour the reputation of such a great country with nefarious practices.

I would 100% believe the investigative report for 9/11 if all the glaringly obvious questions asked, were answered with facts. In our Court system, a man is innocent until absolutely proven guilty - testimony, evidence, argument from both sides, review from your peers, and lastly nonobjective conclusion is met. We call that due process and hold it sacred (Use too I guess) but when you question anything regarding the Government it deems you a conspiracy theorist.

We've got a 24/7 media that can collar the beast of Public Opinion and the current is that asking anything about Building 7 will put you in the same category as a terrorist, un-American, a nut. I see it as being patriotic. If there is still a chance, until proven otherwise, that the people responsible for the lives of 3000 Americans (Not including the subsequent wars to follow) are still walking among us; do you not owe it to those lives to bring them to justice?

Silence is the biggest disservice here.

Here's the crazy thing about those who wish to silence the "conspiracy theorists". They've turned "innocent until proven guilty" on it's head. Because the government says OBL is/was the "guilty party" and he did it all by himself along with his fellow "caveman conspirators", that counts as "proof". If you question the official story or *gasp* go so far as to say somebody inside the government at least knew something, you are "finding the government guilty" and the government must be deemed "innocent until proven guilty". When did the government become a "person" so that "innocent until proven guilty" even applies? I guess all of the government secrecy is constitutional protected to because the government, as a fictitious legal person, has a right not to testify against itself?

Oh, they'll throw in a couple of crappy videos with dubious interpretations where OBL supposedly "took credit" for the attacks, while ignoring the places where he denied responsibility, but hey, it doesn't matter right?
 
I love this country just as much as anyone else. I love my freedom, our quality of life and the access to luxuries that we embellish in on a daily basis. I love this country so much that I believe it is a harmful to not question those which would scour the reputation of such a great country with nefarious practices.

I would 100% believe the investigative report for 9/11 if all the glaringly obvious questions asked, were answered with facts. In our Court system, a man is innocent until absolutely proven guilty - testimony, evidence, argument from both sides, review from your peers, and lastly nonobjective conclusion is met. We call that due process and hold it sacred (Use too I guess) but when you question anything regarding the Government it deems you a conspiracy theorist.

We've got a 24/7 media that can collar the beast of Public Opinion and the current is that asking anything about Building 7 will put you in the same category as a terrorist, un-American, a nut. I see it as being patriotic. If there is still a chance, until proven otherwise, that the people responsible for the lives of 3000 Americans (Not including the subsequent wars to follow) are still walking among us; do you not owe it to those lives to bring them to justice?

Silence is the biggest disservice here.

Great post.
 
It hurts it, and I say that as truther. I think we are talking primarily about 9/11 when we talk about conspiracy theorists as that is the real big one.

There is a saying "Discretion is the better part of valor" and I feel that to be true with 9/11 truth.
I feel Ron Paul truth and 9/11 truth is just too much for most people to absorb at the same time, sure some rare people can, but most have a cognitive dissonance thing going on, it's massive overload. But sometimes it works in reverse it was 9/11 truth that I discovered in the fall of 2006 that made me so receptive to Ron Pauls message the very next year. When before I would have thought he was nuts, like many neo-cons.

Understanding 9/11 is the epiphany that changed my world view, from a pro-American neo-con to Ron Pauls message being the only one that made sense now.
But because the reversal is so profound it needs to be left alone, while trying to get the message of liberty out without getting it discounted as coming from wacko's.

I have no doubt that as some people come to accept what Ron Paul is saying is the basic truth, it will inevitably lead them to question the events of 9/11.
The interview on Ron Paul on 9/11 in his 2008 election run sums it up...
"I can't handle the controversy" and "I've got enough on my plate already".
Promoters of liberty would be wise to heed that advise, so I never mix the too together. Except for on this forum, because posters are generally already all the way there, or half way there anyway.

Thus I post this 5 minute video, which every supporter of Ron Paul should watch.

 
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Really enjoyed reading ex FBI translators, Sibel Edmonds, book "Classified Women" over Christmas break. She documents all the people & specific evidence she discovered whcih allowed the 911 attacks to take place. When you add other creditable whistleblowers like Coleen Rowley, Robert Wright, Michael Springman & Col. Anthony Schaffer etc..it's obvious that at the very least people inside our Gov. allowed 911 to happen.

This could absolutely be proven with their testimony if there was a Federal Judge who was on the up & up re: Law & Justice.

If there was indeed government malice, it was because select elements likely LET IT HAPPEN. All the internal demo theories and other lunacy, I beleive is being spewed forth by government sponsored sources to cover their tracks. I've always suspected the truther movement had too many strange individuals in it's stead. Infiltrated right at the start.
 
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"If there was indeed government malice, it was because select elements likely LET IT HAPPEN"

They certainly LET IT HAPPEN @ a minimum & like I wrote before this could be proven in a Court of Law. Problem is all 911 cases are going to two Federal Judges, who are not interested in facts & truths.

(Judge Alvin Hellerstein & Judge Reggie Walton)
 
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JFK posted a great documentary the other day and I'm paraphrasing one part where David Icke points out that the word conspiracy has been ridiculed to the point that it doesn't matter if it's real or not, people automatically disbelieve it. I'm paraphrasing of course. The fact is the government has already admitted to false flags in the past, one of the most recent being fast & furious. So why would one of the most strange events in American history have 0 chance of being a false flag?

When I was in middle school 9/11 happened, and I found it very strange that they already had compiled a list of all the "terrorists" who were on the planes. What the hell? How did they know Osama Bin Laden planned it all along the moment it happened? THEN Obama claims Osama is dead, but there's not ONE shred of EVIDENCE that the man is dead. My bullshit alarm has been going off for 12 years.
 
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Conspiracy theory is such a loaded word, that many people are told the creature from Jekyll Island is a conspiracy, and that if you talk about the Federal reserve, you are a conspiracy theorist.

And indeed, if peopel didn't talk about the federal reserve, eventually, it would be labeled whacko conspiracy theory, and dismissed out of hand, even though it is in plain sight and documented true.

The only reason why the federal Reserve has not been outcast to conspiracy theory land is because people hate paying taxes, so they are open to explanations of the monetary system.

But I assure you, go tot the JREF forums, and you'll see, many of those people, "skeptics" consider the Federal reserve to be a conspiracy theory.
 
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