Conservative Ideas of Gender

[BetterCallSaul]

This started in another unrelated thread, and Eduardo seems to be the self-annointed evangalizer, thus being representative of anyone else quoting scripture and evangalizing. Less extremist types, however, make these arguments often.

What is oppressive about motherhood?

I know many mothers that are very resentful and trapped in having to raise their kids, and are not happy about missing out on other things. Some of them literally use the word "oppressive."

How can you even ask that question though? Are you 17?

What is oppressive about being a faithful wife?

Not even possibly anything but trolling!!!!

What is oppressive about praising and loving a woman's biological role?

Don't you argue against premarital sex...?

What is oppressive in a man loving his wife as Christ loved the Church?

I kinda remember the Church trying to connive him into crucifixion...Unless you mean the multitude that he randomly sanctioned to go forward in his name. LOL he was a swinger.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yeah, I support your right to do what you want with your life, but libertines are evil.

Eduardo isn't wrong about everything. And I agree with most of what he said in that thread.

 

[pcosmar]

I kinda remember the Church trying to connive him into crucifixion...Unless you mean the multitude that he randomly sanctioned to go forward in his name. LOL he was a swinger.

What's with the deliberate trolling?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Eduardo isn't wrong about everything. And I agree with most of what he said in that thread.

Good then address my responses please.

 

[Origanalist]

I know many mothers that are very resentful and trapped in having to raise their kids, and are not happy about missing out on other things. Some of them literally use the word "oppressive."

And how did they get the idea that they were trapped? It couldn't be because assholes keep promoting the idea that bearing children is a burden, could it?

 

[Christian Liberty]

I know many mothers that are very resentful and trapped in having to raise their kids, and are not happy about missing out on other things. Some of them literally use the word "oppressive."

Good for them. If they hate their kids that much they should never have had any...

How can you even ask that question though? Are you 17?

This is why I didn't actually address your arguments the first time. Attacking someone's age is not a debate tactic

Not even possibly anything but trolling!!!!

I'm pretty sure Carol Paul would agree with him, and not you, on this issue. But whatever...

Don't you argue against premarital sex...?

I don't support a law against it, obviously, but it is immoral. God designed human beings to have sex in marriage.

I kinda remember the Church trying to connive him into crucifixion...Unless you mean the multitude that he randomly sanctioned to go forward in his name. LOL he was a swinger.

Wait, what?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

And how did they get the idea that they were trapped? It couldn't be because assholes keep promoting the idea that bearing children is a burden, could it?

Nope- I don't think that anyone else's opinion even enters their mind; it is too numbed by the shrill of children in the background while they read facebook on their phone and look at pictures of their friends having fun.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I don't support a law against it, obviously, but it is immoral. God designed human beings to have sex in marriage.

Not if he is infallible...because any female can have sex, not even a fully-developed woman, with any man.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Nope- I don't think that anyone else's opinion even enters their mind; it is too numbed by the shrill of children in the background while they read facebook on their phone and look at pictures of their friends having fun.

Yeah, the internet is a new phenomenon anyways, and facebook sucks.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Not if he is infallible...because any female can have sex, not even a fully-developed woman, with any man.

You're confusing biology with morality.

 

[eduardo89]

This started in another unrelated thread, and Eduardo seems to be the self-annointed evangalizer, thus being representative of anyone else quoting scripture and evangalizing. Less extremist types, however, make these arguments often.

I have not appointed myself as anything. I certainly do not speak for anyone here but myself. I'm Catholic, so that puts me into a very small minority on this forum.

I know many mothers that are very resentful and trapped in having to raise their kids, and are not happy about missing out on other things. Some of them literally use the word "oppressive."

Parenthood is all about sacrifices. I certainly have sacrificed a lot by becoming a father. Those who resent their children need to quit worshipping themselves and being selfish.

How can you even ask that question though? Are you 17?

How you can you claim that motherhood is oppressive?

No, I'm not 17, I'm 24. But what does my age have to do with finding and appreciating the beauty in motherhood?

Not even possibly anything but trolling!!!!

Sounds like your posts on here and on revbox.

Don't you argue against premarital sex...?

Yes. What does that have to do with this? Do you prefer unwed mothers? Do you think that's the ideal situation to bring a child into this world? As someone who had a child out of wedlock I can certainly tell you it is not, and it is something I'm fixing for my child.

I kinda remember the Church trying to connive him into crucifixion...Unless you mean the multitude that he randomly sanctioned to go forward in his name. LOL he was a swinger.

Nothing but incoherent trolling here.

 

[pcosmar]

Nothing but incoherent trolling here.

Has been my impression..

but your sig line,,,

In the heart of a busy metropolis, skyscrapers are a vivid reminder of the
constant yearning of the human spirit to rise to God

They always remind me of some Nimrod's stairway to heaven.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I have not appointed myself as anything. I certainly do not speak for anyone here but myself. I'm Catholic, so that puts me into a very small minority on this forum.

You said something about a duty to evangelize. I said that necessarily makes you a representative of other evangelicals, as in, to everyone else. Unimportant anyway- immediately other posters agreed with what you said; almost as if your arguments represent theirs...?

Parenthood is all about sacrifices. I certainly have sacrificed a lot by becoming a father. Those who resent their children need to quit worshipping themselves and being selfish.

So might you call this attitude, if expressed at people, an oppressive thing to hear and experience?

No, I'm not 17, I'm 24. But what does my age have to do with finding and appreciating the beauty in motherhood?

Well, you talk like someone who reads about women, and listens to other men speak of them, but have few years of your own experience with and among them.

Yes. What does that have to do with this?

well, in one page, you are opposing premarital sex and hailing god's plan for women as evident in their biology.

Which has sex.

Do you prefer unwed mothers?

lol slow roller over the plate...

actually they are typically quite lonely and overworked and underappreciated

Do you think that's the ideal situation to bring a child into this world? As someone who had a child out of wedlock I can certainly tell you it is not, and it is something I'm fixing for my child.

do you think this has anything to do with the biology of sex?

Nothing but incoherent trolling here.

well...you said something about jesus loving us like he does "the Church." So I am trying to think of what churches I know in his time and place, and there was the one that condemned him to be crucified, and there was the one that he was starting, which consisted of people that heard his teaching, who were authorized by his decree to go and get demons and such. So, if you are talking about jesus and the church as a marriage, that makes him a swinger, right? Anyone who wanted it could run off with it.

 

[eduardo89]

You said something about a duty to evangelize. I said that necessarily makes you a representative of other evangelicals, as in, to everyone else. Unimportant anyway- immediately other posters agreed with what you said; almost as if your arguments represent theirs...?

My views aligned with many who are Christian on here, but not always. I am Catholic and the vast majority of Christians here are Protestants of various flavors. We agree more often than not because we share a faith in Jesus Christ. But that does not make me a representative other theirs or them of me.

So might you call this attitude, if expressed at people, an oppressive thing to hear and experience?

The only people who are oppressing those who resent their children are ones who feel oppressed. They worship themselves and instead of lovingly sacrificing their wants for their children's needs they feed their own egos.

Well, you talk like someone who reads about women, and listens to other men speak of them, but have few years of your own experience with and among them.

Being engaged to and having a child with a woman should show that I have experience with them. You, mr perfidy, have repeatedly shown yourself to have no experience with anyone except porn addicted druggie libertines.

well, in one page, you are opposing premarital sex and hailing god's plan for women as evident in their biology.

Which has sex.

God's plan for sex is within marriage.

do you think this has anything to do with the biology of sex?

Me having a child out of wedlock has more to do with my sinful nature than anything else.

well...you said something about jesus loving us like he does "the Church." So I am trying to think of what churches I know in his time and place, and there was the one that condemned him to be crucified, and there was the one that he was starting, which consisted of people that heard his teaching, who were authorized by his decree to go and get demons and such. So, if you are talking about jesus and the church as a marriage, that makes him a swinger, right? Anyone who wanted it could run off with it.

Jesus was not killed by the Church,he was killed by the Roman state and the Jews. I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of that paragraph.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

So Eddy, you keep reasserting a connection between womanhood and your idea of the idea of god's idea. While praising Her biology as that idea.

You say that you fathered a child with a woman out of wedlock...how is that possible?

 

[eduardo89]

You say that you fathered a child with a woman out of wedlock...how is that possible?

Because I am a sinner (and always will be). However, God provided me with the opportunity to turn my life around. He sent me a gift in the form of a daughter which is what brought me to Him.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

But biology is the evidence of his plan. You said that (I actually agree with that as a something-theist).

So if biology is the evidence, and, your a dad without being married...Then thank the one and multitude of god! More life forms that might grow in biological harmony with each other!

 

[eduardo89]

But biology is the evidence of his plan. You said that (I actually agree with that as a something-theist).

So if biology is the evidence, and, your a dad without being married...Then thank the one and multitude of god! More life forms that might grow in biological harmony with each other!

His plan is for sex to be confined to marriage. That we are sinful beings and attempt to circumvent His purpose for sex is something different.

Of course I am thankful for God's gift, children are always a blessing. But it is precisely this gift that has made me realize that a child out of wedlock is not what God intended and is not the best thing for a child.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

But isn't his plan manifest as biology? In his image, even.

 

[eduardo89]

But isn't his plan manifest as biology? In his image, even.

His plan is manifested in biology, yes. He intended for man and woman to be together. Not for man and man or woman and woman or man, man, and woman and so on.