Conservative Ideas of Gender

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Ok well first of all- nah, biologically, we all can have a lot of fun. So that right there isn't true.

But that isn't my point at all. Don't fight it! Consider- His plan is made manifest in Biology. Which impregnated your woman and made your baby. No altar but that old one.
 
Nope- I don't think that anyone else's opinion even enters their mind; it is too numbed by the shrill of children in the background while they read facebook on their phone and look at pictures of their friends having fun.

That gets my vote for most vapid post of the year. but nice troll.........

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Eddy we were getting somewhere, and then you abandoned me!

If Biology is the visible evidence of god's plan, and, if that same biology made your baby, then?
 
Nope- I don't think that anyone else's opinion even enters their mind; it is too numbed by the shrill of children in the background while they read facebook on their phone and look at pictures of their friends having fun.

I'm still adjusting to not smelling like campfire smoke after a 2-week trip with my stay-at-home-mom wife and my two children, two good friends and their stay-at-home-mom wives and their combined 5 children, and an extra stay-at-home-mom wife (and her child) whose husband chose not to join us and is instead reviewing pictures of everything that happened on Facebook.
 
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I've worked at a daycare long enough to know I would kill myself if I stayed home with my kids for more than a year or two (or three).

I have patience and anger issues, admittedly, and children constantly get on my nerves. Husband needs to know he'll be the one handling a lot of the discipline with the kids, if we even have them.

fisharmor said:
I'm still adjusting to not smelling like campfire smoke after a 2-week trip with my stay-at-home-mom wife and my two children, two good friends and their stay-at-home-mom wives and their combined 5 children, and an extra stay-at-home-mom wife (and her child) whose husband chose not to join us and is instead reviewing pictures of everything that happened on Facebook.

Do you want a pat on the back... ?
 
There are a lot of men in the Liberty movement who don't want to imagine that their mother didn't live to gratify them and their father, and project that onto all women.
 
There are a lot of men in the Liberty movement who don't want to imagine that their mother didn't live to gratify them and their father, and project that onto all women.

I do agree with this, but it goes above and beyond the liberty movement, too.

My best friend was dating a guy who was 25 and still lived at home (and always lived at home, even throughout college). He would ask his mother to do something and she would literally drop whatever she was doing to do whatever he asked. If he was hungry, she made him dinner, if he needed clean clothes, she'd do his laundry. Needless to say, her dating him didn't last long, and I doubt he will get more dates in the future until he you know... grows up and claims some responsibility.

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What I want is for everyone to realize that fun doesn't have to stop because kids are involved. If it does, you're not just cheating yourself, you're cheating your kids.

I also agree; that's how I was raised too. :)
 
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What I want is for everyone to realize that fun doesn't have to stop because kids are involved. If it does, you're not just cheating yourself, you're cheating your kids.

My kids my best friend. We crack each up all day long everyday. I couldn't possibly be happier that I work from home and have him around. My day just starts to get good when he gets up and insists on making me a cup of coffee.
 
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What I want is for everyone to realize that fun doesn't have to stop because kids are involved. If it does, you're not just cheating yourself, you're cheating your kids.


I also agree; that's how I was raised too.
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Same! I was raised as the oldest child in a big family, so growing up we always had babies around, and that was normal to me, and fun. Parents that treat their kids like an irritating burden most often, in my experience, have totally unrealistic expectations and behave absurdly- if the kid asks for something, or speaks, or displays any kind of behavior at all in any environment, then they roll their eyes and sigh or huff and grunt, and typically yell until the kid stops moving or saying anything. It is cruel and stupid.

But that being said, that is not to say that I cannot imagine why a mother would find motherhood "oppressive." I have very vivid memories of childhood where I can't believe I was not murdered by my parents in a rage lol. I wouldn't impose on women some kind of judgmental insistence that they be mothers or wives, same as how I would not expect men to grow up saying, "I can't wait to have kids!"
 
And how did they get the idea that they were trapped? It couldn't be because assholes keep promoting the idea that bearing children is a burden, could it?

Speaking of which:

TIME MAGAZINE PROMOTES A CHILDFREE LIFE
http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=58825

I am ready for the culture wars to end. This insanity has gone on longer than it ever should have. I never bothered with women’s studies in college. Nor did I give any credit to the “Women can have it all” movement. I was blessed with having a good family history documentation growing up. I lived in the same community where my great-great grandparents settled after they immigrated to the country. My great grandmother Blanche, was an amazing woman. She was a school teacher, a wife, and a mother to two boys. We had an extremely close community. While I was in high school I had the assignment to interview a World War 2 Veteran. Though I didn’t know it at the time, the Pearl Harbor survivor that I had contacted, was a former student of my grandmother.

The revelations of that time period amazed me. I had been told that women should have careers and put family on the back burner. Then I had this new story of my grandmother who was a devote teacher, but it wasn’t the biggest component of her life. Now every time I read articles that paint children as burdens it makes me angry. When I read articles that promote divorce a la “Eat, Prey, Love” style it makes me angry. When I hear Wendy Davis (D-Texas) arguing abortion rights and telling representatives that unless they have a medical degree to get out of the vagina business it makes me angry. Knowing full well that this woman has no medical degree and isn’t qualified to make those decisions either.

Michael Snyder
American Dream
August 6, 2013

There is a relentless assault on the family in America today unlike anything that we have ever seen before. For decades, the entertainment industry and the mainstream media have been portraying marriage as the time “when your fun is over” and they have been encouraging young adults to put off marriage for as long as possible.

So now the marriage rate in the United States is at a record low and the average age for a first marriage is at a record high. Meanwhile, the entertainment industry and the mainstream media have been heavily promoting the philosophy that having fewer children is better, and they have been teaching our young people that abortion is a really good option if an unwanted pregnancy comes along. The whole idea is that children are going to keep you from enjoying the kind of life that you really deserve to have.

This philosophy is taken even further in a new Time Magazine article. The article is entitled “The Childfree Life: When having it all means not having children“, and it openly promotes a “childless lifestyle” as the path to the good life for young U.S. couples. The following is how the article begins…

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More at the link
 
From the moralizing posture that seems to be your default setting, I would wager that you don't notice how there is such a thing as emotional aggression, and someone guilts you all of the time and practices subtle forms of coercion against you.

So, call that your heads up. The way you are talking about the issue of motherhood, people get the distinct impression that you would force women to have children, even if not overtly, and at point of gun. I would bet then that someone else similarly menaces your own psychology.
 
also...

My mother had me to glorify God, not me.

whatever the motive, which is ascribed by the actors after-the-fact (it's brain chemistry and science- the parts of the body that do things are active before the parts of the brain that rationalize them) all we can say factually is that your mother in fact bore you. Just as your own mate bore your own child, as in, there was no angel middleman with oaths and psalms and scripture.

Would you be willing to say out loud, "Semen and ovum make babies?" not, "God and marriage?"
 
Personally, I'm an egalitarian Christian and unlike Eduardo, I do not believe in segregated gender roles. I'm totally cool with stay at home moms and don't disagree that it's an important job, but I'm just as cool with stay at home dads or grandparents, working moms, parents that work at home so they can work while being with their kids. I don't believe one is more Godly than the other. What matters is the kids and the rest of the family have their needs met.

I think the negative image culture has painted of kids, has turned off many people to having/adopting them and enjoying parenthood. This negative image isn't because kids are inherently obnoxious brats -- rather, it's how they're brought up. My parents were very strict and believed in tough love. I was one of the best behaved kids because my parents did not put up with any kind of foul behavior. When I was in like 6th grade, I lost TV, computer and Nintendo privileges for FOUR WEEKS just because I mocked them when they told me to clean my room. Still to this day, I'm one of the most responsible and mature 20-year-olds I know because my parents placed such high importance on manners and morality. Too many parents don't and then they end up with annoying BRATS that lack both manners and basic life skills.

Not particularly, I was drunk most of the time.
What I want is for everyone to realize that fun doesn't have to stop because kids are involved. If it does, you're not just cheating yourself, you're cheating your kids.

I totally agree. I know some people my age that are the extreme example of this. Some of them still don't know how to do basic things like their laundry and had their parents get them an apartment. Their parents are too involved in their lives and the kids are dependent on their parents to the point where it's flat out weird.
 
but I'm just as cool with stay at home dads

I think its great seeing all the other stay at home dads with their kids, at the park, working in the yard, out grocery shopping. In fact, I'm looking forward to seeing what a generation where a sizeable number children were raised with dads as the primary caregiver is like. It might be just what this country needs.
 
The whole OP is silly.

But this part stood out.

What are you talking about?

I think he is referring to the old church (Israel) vs the new church (body of Christ) added: And getting a good solid understanding that can be written down or spoken clearly about the Conservative position on females/wives might go a long way to winning the female vote.

edit: Words, damn words, that's why it's hard to communicate sometimes. People forget there are concepts behind words and a context.
 
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