Congressmen Fail to Disclose "Democratic Socialists of America" Membership

[KAYA]

A right-winger like you doesn't even know the Jekyll Island story? For shame.


The rich have always run this country. They have always owned the government. They CREATED the government. But don't let history get in the way of your ideological agenda - the simplistic agenda that assumes that everything will be fine if we just had "constitutional government."

So why on earth do you assume things will be just fine if only we had a large centrally planned government controlled by a few, creating an even more powerful and unaccountable ruling class?

Speaking of letting history get in the way... How have Marxist governments worked out in the past? Please educate me, great all knowing one.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, he can save his insults for somebody else. I'm not interested.

YumYum, she corrected you. You were wrong.

C'mon man, just let it slide off. None of us are right all the time.

 

[YumYum]

As I remember you were a supporter and apologist when you joined this board.
You have often supported and argued socialist/statist positions. On several subjects.
Not all old folks are forgetful.
Don't play dumb,

I never supported Obama, ever!! I supported and voted for Ron Paul in 2008. I just never engaged in the rabid hate that comes spewing out of my computer from my so-called fellow Americans who do nothing but complain and play the blame game. Yes, I have altered my views on some issues since being on board, and I have learned a lot of information. But to call me an apologist for Obama is an outright lie.

In fact, the only reason I switched from Republican to Democrat is to help the Dems get the message about liberty.

 

[Meatwasp]

I never supported Obama, ever!! I supported and
In fact, the only reason I switched from Republican to Democrat is to help the Dems get the message about liberty.

I rest my case. How could you have voted for Ron Paul when you switched from Republican to Deomocrat?

 

[LibertyEagle]

He didn't say when he switched. He could have switched after the primary.

 

[Meatwasp]

He didn't say when he switched. He could have switched after the primary.

This is true.

 

[LibertyEagle]

YumYum,

Is it that we are attacking the Democratic Socialists of America/Communist Party USA (aka Progressives)?

They're scum. Keep in mind we are talking about people in our government.

That doesn't mean they are the only scum. There have been plenty of threads about those who wave the flag, but support unconstitutional legislation; those who support empire-building, even though it is in direct opposition to the national defense they say they want, etc. There are plenty of Republicans who support these things and we are none to happy with them either.

It's just that this particular thread is about the outing of the socialist/communist scum in our government.

 

[pcosmar]

YumYum,

Is it that we are attacking the Democratic Socialists of America/Communist Party USA (aka Progressives)?

They're scum. Keep in mind we are talking about people in our government.

That doesn't mean they are the only scum. There have been plenty of threads about those who wave the flag, but support unconstitutional legislation; those who support empire-building, even though it is in direct opposition to the national defense they say they want, etc. There are plenty of Republicans who support these things and we are none to happy with them either.

It's just that this particular thread is about the outing of the socialist/communist scum in our government.

btw, Neo-cons are also socialists. they just generally have an "R" by their names.
The same folks that "handle" Obama also "handle" Palin.

 

[YumYum]

I rest my case. How could you have voted for Ron Paul when you switched from Republican to Deomocrat?

Can you be civil? If so, I will explain. At the beginning of the 2008 election I was for Kucinich, who I believed was a principled man. When I learned about Dr. Paul on Youtube, I switched immediately, because I always liked Barry Goldwater, who was a true conservative, and I wasn't aware that there were any politicians out there who practiced Goldwater politics. My father, mother, brother and I gave our time and money to Ron Paul's campaign. He gave us hope that the country could be turned around after all. He also educated me. After he lost, a very good friend of my family belonged to C4L and came by and encouraged my Dad to join. My Dad, brother and myself joined, and we went to our meet-up groups and the the Republican meetings. We worked hard to get HR1207 passed, we even worked with Justin McCord, handing out fliers and getting signatures for a petition.

My family moved, and I was going to return to the Republican meetings when my regional coordinator recommended that I join the Dems to help them get the message of liberty, since I am currently in association with a lot of Democrats. I agreed that was a great idea, and that is how I became a Democrat. Its purely to educate people about Ron Paul's message, and I am having excellent results.

In being on both sides of the fence, what I am seeing is a hatred unlike anything I have every experienced. Yes, socialism is bad and is robbing people of their wealth, but these people who believe in socialism, need to be educated; just as I was educated by Dr. Paul.

When I came on this forum, I believed that if you fix government, that government can be trusted if it is controlled by being kept small and de-centralized. Now, I trust no government in this country, or any country, and since I have been on this forum, I believe that this is all going to collapse very soon.

 

[Meatwasp]

Let me get this straight. I am not protecting the Republicans either. Like Pcosmar says the neo-cons are socialist also.

 

[FrankRep]

btw, Neo-cons are also socialists. they just generally have an "R" by their names.
The same folks that "handle" Obama also "handle" Palin.

Yep.

Conservatives, Neoconservatives and Constitutionalists

Irving Kristol spelled out neocon belief in his 1995 opus Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea. He said that it squared with Franklin Roosevelt’s “New Deal,” and wanted nothing to do with “the kind of isolationism that then permeated American conservatism.” There you have the definition of neoconservatism: socialism and internationalism. Kristol went so far as to candidly admit, “I regard myself as lucky to have been a young Trotskyite and I have not a single bitter memory.” The partner of Lenin in communizing Russia, Trotsky later fell into disfavor for backing the slower route to deadly totalitarianism. If one accepts Kristol’s definition, and there is no reason not to do so, Trotsky was the first neoconservative.​

 

[Meatwasp]

Can you be civil? If so, I will explain. At the beginning of the 2008 election I was for Kucinich, who I believed was a principled man. When I learned about Dr. Paul on Youtube, I switched immediately, because I always liked Barry Goldwater, who was a true conservative, and I wasn't aware that there were any politicians out there who practiced Goldwater politics. My father, mother, brother and I gave our time and money to Ron Paul's campaign. He gave us hope that the country could be turned around after all. He also educated me. After he lost, a very good friend of my family belonged to C4L and came by and encouraged my Dad to join. My Dad, brother and myself joined, and we went to our meet-up groups and the the Republican meetings. We worked hard to get HR1207 passed, we even worked with Justin McCord, handing out fliers and getting signatures for a petition.

My family moved, and I was going to return to the Republican meetings when my regional coordinator recommended that I join the Dems to help them get the message of liberty, since I am currently in association with a lot of Democrats. I agreed that was a great idea, and that is how I became a Democrat. Its purely to educate people about Ron Paul's message, and I am having excellent results.

In being on both sides of the fence, what I am seeing is a hatred unlike anything I have every experienced. Yes, socialism is bad and is robbing people of their wealth, but these people who believe in socialism, need to be educated; just as I was educated by Dr. Paul.

When I came on this forum, I believed that if you fix government, that government can be trusted if it is controlled by being kept small and de-centralized. Now, I trust no government in this country, or any country, and since I have been on this forum, I believe that this is all going to collapse very soon.

Okay Yum Yum peace?

 

[LibertyEagle]

btw, Neo-cons are also socialists. they just generally have an "R" by their names.
The same folks that "handle" Obama also "handle" Palin.

Yeah, I know. They have their own clubs. I was going to mention a few of them, but decided against it.

 

[YumYum]

Okay Yum Yum peace?

You bet!!

 

[LibertyEagle]

When I came on this forum, I believed that if you fix government, that government can be trusted if it is controlled by being kept small and de-centralized. Now, I trust no government in this country, or any country, and since I have been on this forum, I believe that this is all going to collapse very soon.

There will never be a time when we can just sit back and say ok, we fixed it, we can go back to sleep now. The fact that so many did for so long, is why we got in this mess to begin with.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Commies? Is this the 1950s? Honestly, I just don't see why people are shocked.

There were two types of "anti-communists". One group was actually against communism and socialism, and one group was using it as a convenient excuse to attack their enemies who took over their glorious revolution in the Soviet Union. They were really anti-Soviet Union, not anti-communist. What you just said is propaganda that has been pushed by that group since the fall of the Soviet Union. They are liars, and they will use any excuse that they think you will buy. The proof is that they keep changing their arguments. What is important one day is not important the next. Their true agendas are hidden.

An example:

Irving Kristol spelled out neocon belief in his 1995 opus Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea. He said that it squared with Franklin Roosevelt’s “New Deal,” and wanted nothing to do with “the kind of isolationism that then permeated American conservatism.” There you have the definition of neoconservatism: socialism and internationalism. Kristol went so far as to candidly admit, “I regard myself as lucky to have been a young Trotskyite and I have not a single bitter memory.” The partner of Lenin in communizing Russia, Trotsky later fell into disfavor for backing the slower route to deadly totalitarianism. If one accepts Kristol’s definition, and there is no reason not to do so, Trotsky was the first neoconservative.​

 

[Brian4Liberty]

haha socialism should be the least of your worries

a government not run by the powerful economic interests of big business? that would be unheard of in Amerikkka

They are the same issue. There is a difference between Marxism and Socialism as it exists today. Marx would tell you that. Socialism was co-opted (or even somewhat created) by the Monarchs and Oligarchs of Europe. They wanted to retain control and power. They countered Communist ideas (where they would lose everything) with a softer Socialism, where they could remain in power, and control a government that gave away freebies, and redistributed the wealth of the lesser classes, while they kept their own. And surprise, it worked out even better than that, because that socialist government treasury turned out to be so easy for them to take a huge cut for themselves. The Oligarchy has expanded since then, but the scam is the same.

 

[Mini-Me]

So why on earth do you assume things will be just fine if only we had a large centrally planned government controlled by a few, creating an even more powerful and unaccountable ruling class?

Speaking of letting history get in the way... How have Marxist governments worked out in the past? Please educate me, great all knowing one.

Before your post gets buried in the thread, I should point out that RedStripe is a left-libertarian anarchist, IIRC, and he does not believe in any government, let alone a huge totalitarian government. From what I've read, his support for "socialist ends" refers to the social sphere, because he understands that a centralized government will never be able to do anything but oppress. A lot of people believe that "socialist ends," such as more equitable distribution of wealth and more egalitarian employment relationships, will naturally follow from greater freedom and less (or no) central control...and to a large degree, they are correct. His avatar is from here, the Alliance of the Libertarian Left, and I also believe that's where his name comes from. Long story short, he is an ally in our fight against government, even though he's coming from a somewhat different perspective regarding "why."

I think he gets into trouble here on two fronts:

1. When we think of the word "socialism," we think of government-run socialism, and the egalitarian philosophy of idealistic socialists is just background noise. When he thinks of the word "socialism," I think it's nearly vice-versa. When we think of socialism, we tie it to the neocons and their national socialism as well, using it as a kind of "catch-all" term for central planning. For him, the concepts are separate. (I think a lot of this comes from who we better identify with: Paleoconservatives and right-libertarians tend to identify more with the middle class, whereas left-libertarians tend to identify more with the lower class/underclass. It's more a matter of perspective and focus than antagonism though.) Our different semantics cause disagreement where there should be none: None of us actually want the government to run the economy.
2. On top of that, he likes to be a sarcastic asshole, so he brings a lot of this on himself. That's why I hesitate defending him. Still, I don't like seeing someone get ganged up on and considered an enemy, especially when most people misunderstand his actual position.

 

[jazzloversinc]

I made 50 copies of this today to hand out ...this is so important I had to bump it up.

 

[LibertyEagle]

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