Confronting Beltway Libertarianism and the Invasion of Left-Libertarians

Apparently you haven't read Hoppe. Hoppe is a GREAT libertarian thinker.

Ha. Please. I'm likely far more read than you may imagine, my friend.

Ancap form of government would be the most dangerous, tyrannical, oppressive form of government Man has ever seen.
 
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Rev's a Monarchist. He openly organizes for the concept of Kings and servitude. This is patently anti-Individual Liberty. And he openly rejects The Natural Law that is Individual Liberty's foundation for moral code and establishes its fundamental principles for proper Man-to-Man/Government-to-Man relations.





Monarchy Is the Best Form of Government - r3volution 3.0

Fuck r3volution 3.0 and the stalking horse he rode in on. And I'll tell him that to his face.


The first quote in my sig-line is good reading. It's good reading because it's patently true.



Also. Since you had the stones to mention the statesman...


I'm not even going to bother posting a video of Ron's thoughts on private property being the principal support for Life and Liberty.


End of the day. I'm rather confident that Me and Ron are precisely on the same page.



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Rev's a Monarchist. He openly organizes for the concept of Kings and servitude. This is patently anti-Individual Liberty. And he openly rejects The Natural Law that is Individual Liberty's foundation for moral code and establishes its fundamental principles for proper Man-to-Man/Government-to-Man relations.


Monarchy Is the Best Form of Government - r3volution 3.0

Fuck r3volution 3.0 and the stalking horse he rode in on. And I'll tell him that to his face.

Ha. Please. I'm likely far more read than you may imagine, my friend.

Ancap form of government would be the most dangerous, tyrannical, oppressive form of government Man has ever seen.

You and r3v agree on this.

You have not answered the question directly, but when asked 'if you agree with coercive taxation' you quoted a George Washington speech/letter stating that when an individual chooses to live within a society he gives up full control of some rights (assuming by me to mean full control over his wages). You both agree here as well. I disagree with you both.

You think that a constitutional republic will promote maximum liberty, and r3v thinks monarchy will promote maximum liberty. I think you are both framing the question entirely wrong.

As far as the principles of liberty, you are both in agreement. R3v does not believe rights come from God, but this amounts to the Spooner discussion. If everyone abided by either your perception of individual liberty or r3v's perception of individual liberty it would result in the same 'man to man' and 'government to man' relations you champion for.

I've been in the clouds a bit lately looking at the bigger picture and not focusing on the now. But after looking into Trump and his compatriot's comments and dealings with FP and then taking a refresher on what Clinton is offering FP wise, it is quite apparent that if the loss of life concerns you, getting GJ elected is important. If Caslte was in a position where he could possibly be elected it would be worth looking into him. But he is not, and so I wont. And now this may sound 'single-issue' just like the 'cake-bakers'. First, it is not, and second, an individual's life is the most important aspect of liberty. Without it the individual has no ability to posses anything, property rights and being forced to bake cakes is of no concern to the dead man. And as to why Gary is not a single issue candidate, of the three who are worthy of considering, he offers the greatest economic and personal liberties(with the understanding these are one-in-the-same).

Here we are, 15 years into a war blitz, 13 years into foreign policy decision to shake up the middle east-- and the world in doing so-- and we are discussing whether or not to support an individual that wishes to end this, because he believes a business should be forced to serve any customer with the funds to pay for his desired goods-- because his understanding of liberty is unpure. I must ask you, how important are the lives of the individuals who are on the receiving end of our FP to you?
 
maybe the right-libertarians shouldn't have been polishing trumps knob during the entire campaign cycle.

Trump only dates queens like Melania & Ivana & Marla Maples. He's not a Jeb or an Arnold who'll hump anything. He's not letting Joe Blow.
 
How did the movement get to this point?

The desperate terminal cancer patient will shell out to the snake-oil salesman who is sufficiently brazen to put up and maintain that convincing front of authoritative knowledge that his poisons will remove those metastases, all for the low low KMart price of...

So it is even with many men who claim to want freedom. Just as that cancer patient does not want to face the reality of their malady, the less-than libertarian (LTL) doesn't want to face the less appealing aspects of freedom's price structure. They are thereby ripe for the picking by the snake oiler who shows the brass to tell them authoritatively that they can be free without paying that little snippet of the price. We could call it "discounted freedom". The LTL allows himself to be fooled into believing he can have full-monty freedom at a discounted price. This is like buying that beautiful Pagani Huayra at 50% off, not realizing that that price one does not include an engine.

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This is the perennial problem of the average man. He wants what he wants and will cling like a starving child to it dead mother's breast unto his own destruction for the sake of getting that which he wants. Because they are not possessed of themselves, but are rather owned by their desires, they become easy targets for the snake oilers.

I once had to laugh at the nonsense that I found the Unitarian Universalist "faith" to be. They are one of the acmes of pandering to mens' desire to have it all their way - freedom, big tits, and great squirting penises all for free. "We dare not fence the spirit". Well then alrighty, I think I'll go right over there and rape that little boy who's looking so invitingly cute.

People feverishly tend to seek comfort, whatever that may be for them - and the range is remarkably broad. They will sell their daughters into whorehouses for the sake of having that which they desire and ANYONE with the balls to stand up and tell them that they can have it will become as God to those timid, grasping men who are willing to debase and demean themselves to nearly any degree and in any manner conceivable in exchange for nothing more than the mere hint of a vaguely stated almost-promise of something they think they want.

That is at least partly why some faction of the liberty movement was able to be co-opted and transmuted into a bowel movement .

Freedom is great, but not unlike a Huayra, it is expensive as all hell, challenging to drive at times, and potentially very dangerous. However, unlike the Huayra whose nature cannot be disputed by any but perhaps the most willfully stupid, men will attribute all manner of confabulated nonsense to freedom in their relentless pursuit to rationalize their beliefs that one can be free at no cost. Anything for the sake of getting something for nothing.

As we can see, it's not just the degenerates in the ghettoes with this problem. Many of them live in McMansions on Skyline Drive.
 
maybe the right-libertarians shouldn't have been polishing trumps knob during the entire campaign cycle.

Right-libertarian... left-libertarian... daft-libertarian...

These labels are dangerous.

IMO one is either a libertarian in accord with a firm and unyielding definition of the term, or he is something else. It is my opinion that those who call themselves x-libertarian should be challenged at every opportunity and exposed as the charlatans they are.

Words are important.
 
Here we are, 15 years into a war blitz, 13 years into foreign policy decision to shake up the middle east-- and the world in doing so-- and we are discussing whether or not to support an individual that wishes to end this, because he believes a business should be forced to serve any customer with the funds to pay for his desired goods-- because his understanding of liberty is unpure. I must ask you, how important are the lives of the individuals who are on the receiving end of our FP to you?

Precisely.

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